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Old 5th September 2011, 08:30   #76
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Mercedes can blame the X1 as much as it wants but here are some of the reasons why they are not #1, I have not put them in order of what is more important just posted randomly.
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Thanks S350L-E240 for providing this excellent write-up. Very well summarised indeed!
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Mercedes can blame the X1 as much as it wants but here are some of the reasons why they are not #1, I have not put them in order of what is more important just posted randomly.

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Nice reasoning. Probably as they were first here to lead the luxury segment, their lethargic attitude since then is hurting them now.

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I have heard more problems with MB engines seizing &/or developing cracks due to rain water stranded on roads entering the engine bay, particularly with the E-Class. In fact, my boss has been instructed by the dealer not to take out his car in rains, de to which he has to travel by one of his Corollas. In comparison, another AVP in my office travels by 5-Series (previous gen one), & need not care care for rains, or as a matter of fact for any season.

Add to this, I have heard on infotainment programmes in CNBC, that MB is not willing to help people on this issue, & in fact blame people for driving the cars in rain, rather than ensuring that their cars work well whether it rains or not.

Further, MB can always blame for BMW for discounting (read corporate versions) to gain customers, but, ins't this what they could have done to avoid losing market to rivals.

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Old 5th September 2011, 14:41   #79
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If I could find a way to find my extremely old threads which were related to E240 and an S350 and their multiple failures people will understand why Mercedes die hard fans like me stay away from them, there were people who still work with MBIL and without naming them they are people I would stay a mile away from.

Even Debashis Mitra as nice a person he is, he knows little about Mercedes and it's products and really a wrong person I believe who loves to point fingers only because the others did better what they should have done long back, but then now we have Mr. Peter Honegg lets hope he gets it up, and fire some of the after sales staff who only work there to be able to go to Shimla and other places in their test cars.

Is there any way I can get my old threads? They lacked detail as at that time I was only an angry teen, but will give you an idea of Mercedes and its support?

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Found this cracker of an ad in FB. Copyright - rightful owners.

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Found this cracker of an ad in FB. Copyright - rightful owners.

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Posted in this very same thread and another thread(link to that in the 2nd page of this thread, I think)
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I still don't understand why none of the 3 have launched manual transmissions, at least in C/3/A4. Many cars in this segment are chauffeur-driven, and the owners will not care about the transmission.
Also, the manual transmissions will bring down the production cost by some 1.5 lakhs, considering that they offer quite advanced automatic technologies (except with CDI perhaps).
My question is: how would it negatively affect these brands if they launch manual transmissions?
I completely agree with you.

In fact, many people who buy the 3 series, are driving enthusiasts who, might actually prefer a manual transmission.

Audi's DSG system is brilliant, but the auto in the BMW is exceptionally sluggish. I, for one, would love to have the option of a manual in that segment.
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Posted in this very same thread and another thread(link to that in the 2nd page of this thread, I think)
Could not find the same pic on this thread. Had navigated completely thru the pages before posting. Anyhow there is a similar pic to this.
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Audi's DSG system is brilliant, but the auto in the BMW is exceptionally sluggish. I, for one, would love to have the option of a manual in that segment.
If you are talking about the A4 then the 1.8, 2.0 t/tdi don't have the DSG. They have CVTs.
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If you are talking about the A4 then the 1.8, 2.0 t/tdi don't have the DSG. They have CVTs.
Are you serious!!!

But the Skoda Laura's and VW Jetta's offer the same engine with DSG, at a much lower price point.

Shame on Audi

And all the more reason that the German 3 should offer manual transmission in their entry segment cars.
I remember Mercedes used to offer manual in the old C-Class, don't know if they still do with the new model.
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I can guess why they don't offer manual transmission. For Euro markets, tall gearing suits best (I believe all these cars come with tall gears). It won't work here. It would cost them too much to design an India specific gearbox.

Also, their diesel engines produce much more power than similar capacity engines of other manufacturers. Along with better electronics, I am sure these have bigger turbochargers. So the turbolag will actually work against the popularity of the product.

Note: I have only been in a manual 320d in South Africa, never driven it. That drive gave me these thoughts.
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While a PR war has been on between BMW and Mercedese,

Audi has been trying to reach affluent places where BMW and Mercedese don't know what exactly they do, but I for example see that Vadodara is flooded with Audi's (at times I think more than in even Mumbai and in comparision BMW is a distant second and mercedese just non existant.)

At some point the companies do also have to think about their nationwide presence.
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Rolex to watches is what Merc is to cars. Known, valued and cherished in every nook and corner of the world.

Show someone who is not into watches, a Patek Phillipe or a Dewitt, he is simply going to say: it's not a Rolex though

I'm enjoying these PR wars and given the maturity model of these companies, I believe the competition is going to only yield QUALITY products at great value, which as GTO's opening post says, "is good for us customers". I hope the day (or year) is not too far when I can own one of these quality cars.

OT: luxury product market in India rocks and is booming. When it comes to watches, I'm seeing advertisements "stamp size in a corner" for Omega, routine quarter pages for Longines and Tag Heuer and once even for Ulysse Nardin.

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Came across this video on FB.

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Came across this video on FB.
Quite an old one Adi. We have a dedicated thread on this ad-war.

Jaguar's hilarious response to Merc's "magic body control" ad
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