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Old 30th March 2010, 20:58   #301
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I see a lot of people passing comments like this. I live in a market where hatchbacks are not considered as car. I ask all these people passing this comments, did you go through the owner ship reports by nano owners. Answer for the most will be a No. IF yes, why is that no one feels the same way as you did. These Nano owners(from the ownership reports) are proud of their baby the same way as a BMW or a Audi owner. Why?

A person driving a Vista or a Swift may not feel Nano is a complete car. Manza owners may feel the same about Vista or Swift. Like City or Altis about Manza. Audi or BMW about City. Ferrari about BMW or Audi. Every one wants to drive a Ferrari but they cannot afford it. For me it makes perfect sense if a Ferrai or a BMW owner says Nano is not complete car. But some of the persons passing that statement happen to own a 800 or a Alto. What makes you think the extra 2 inches makes you feel your car is big or Safe?

In a market where majority of sales come from hatchbacks(majority with out airbags) I don't understand what makes poeple pass that comment.

There are so many cars in Indian which are not safer or not much bigger than Nano. But we only complain about Nano.
Man, you hit the nail on the head! And How?

While a stray Nano catching fire makes this thread go ballistic on safety issues and Tata bashing, more drastic safety related failures like the one's Toyota is grappling with is relatively a lesser evil it seems.

While I am no fan of Tatas (though I use some of their products like broadband, A/cs etc), and their service really sucks, but then, it is the same story across brands/products, some relatively better than others, given that we compare apples to apples and not oranges.

I have seen several posts/threads where people do not mind spending lakhs on a car, but will settle for a cheapo Chinese make FM transmitters/ mobile chargers which have a potential to play havoc with the electrical system, and then crib if it is not upto the mark.

Pay Peanuts=Get Monkeys;-}
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Old 30th March 2010, 21:53   #302
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Err thats pretty pretentious. The reason is given in the second paragraph! There've been 4 or 5 separate incidents and still no response from the company? And the incidents date back to september-october. It is a pride for India yes..Tata is a new entrant and it will learn yes.. fan of Ratan Tata yes, but none of that is reason enough to go soft on safety of customers, or look at the incidents lightly.


I request you to post with some responsibility. There's only one fire incident Tata is yet to respond. That's the only incident of fire related to Nano. Other three(first three) are black smoke not fire.(Lot of t-bhpians miss this point). No one is asking you to go soft on safety of Tata products. We only expect you to take that atitude to other products & services(Indian Government included) also which is clearly missing.

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To All T-BHPians: There is a difference between militia and army. Militia doesnot operate by rules. They for the most part do not have any morals or ethics. Militia is more interested in destroying the target than defending anything. THey never take a strong ground. They only attack and run.

I have asked a lot of questions and never got them answered. Some members post with irresposibility and when countered do not even care to respond. But they run away to another thread to repeat the same posts. We have a member who always posts a one liner on all tata related threads "Atleast Toyota has the guts to recal". He did this on this thread too. When countered he simply left. This thread has seen a lot of members posting with out checking facts. They are not army for me.


I talked about doing something constructive(signing mass petition) and only two members responded. One of them is a non-indian. It's a shame(on all indians) to see that a non-indian is willing to contribute for a good cause while all the indians on this thead(except wildon) are not.

criticism is good only when constructive.

Some members are common on all tata/nano bashing threads.

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Old 30th March 2010, 23:38   #304
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I have something to say here.

As most of you know (i see my name cropped up) - I have had extensive experience with a Nano. My company owns one and I was privileged to drive it along with my friend and fellow TBHPian Normally_crazy almost non-stop from Bombay to Delhi.

The car is most certainly not of a low quality. In fact it hardly ever betrayed its price tag. If you happened to see the videos you would realise that nowhere did we ever mention that the car is poorly built and we stand by that.

That said, here is my unbiased opinion on the electricals of the car.

They are poor.

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I'm just presenting an honest educated opinion.

Thanks for listening.
Thank you Sam for your inputs, we were lucky to have "witnessed" the journey that you and NC undertook. This is exactly what I would like people of teamBhp to be able to give, an honest educated opinion.

I have extensively checked out the Nano (no I don't own one), and I can spot some of the compromises made, the battery under the seat being one. What I would like prospective owners to do, is to not just criticize Tata for skimping on a cover for the same, or blame their engineering; but just go out and fabricate a housing for the same. It is not a very difficult thing to do and well worth it's salt if you consider it to be a safety hazard.

Sometimes faulty fuel lines can lead to fire, especially if the engine is running very hot and there is a fuel spill, that too can be a cause. Other than that, I would tend to agree that the power source (the spark and just about everything else in the car) is usually to blame.
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For the first time I followed a nano all the way from my home to office on my bike today. It looked as good as any other hatchback on the road to me. It seemed peppy enough and was keeping up with the city traffic quite easily. It was a brand new CX model and it warmed my heart to see the owner being very proud of his new ride. I waved to him and he waved back with a smile!

As we weaved in and out of traffic, other cars including an Alto and Santro pulled up side by side with the nano and I was able to observe the difference in size. Just two things put me off - as mentioned earlier, one was the exhaust sound. The other was the visible mechanicals behind the rear grill, that vibrated and moved every time the driver accelerated or eased off, somehow reminding me of the Piaggio Ape autos we see every day. I am yet to ride in a nano though.

In all other aspects it looked perfect to me. I feel it is unfair to write it off or even write the company off, as some are hell bent on doing. As someone remarked, there has only been one real case of fire involving the nano. The other three can't be included in to that category IMO.

Would I recommend the nano to anyone? Most certainly, though I would first point out the two things that put me off. If those two are ok with them, I would advise them to buy after waiting for another six months - till the current problems are ironed out.
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There are comments on this thread comparing the nano to be worst than a bicycle - a huge hyperbole. It is definately safer than being on any two wheeler.

Also I have personally seen at least two cars catch fire right in front of me - one of them was a ford Icon, have heard about the same happening to Cielo's Opels, Escorts etc.

My own TATA Safari once (after being totally drowned in the 2005 bombay floods) had a smokey relay under my seat - Some Power window relay that i parked the car on the side and pulled out and threw away, once had the power window switch catch fire/spark (again that smell of burning rubber/plastic), once this happened to the powered adjustment switch for the side view mirros and once to the brake switch that connects to the brake fluid tank.

And yet in the course of 160,000 kms the Safari has stood by me. I understand that this stuff happned because those components were not replaced by me after the flooding. One adds extra bits of wiring and equipment to the vehicle and this adds failure and fire potential points.

Have been in a Nano - have loved it, felt it to be a quality product - better than an Alto or an 800. Felt the body was sturdy.

Yep the electricals seem to have weak and cheap plastics but that to doesnot seem to be a fire hazzard.

Such things will happen in the early days, but Tata normally supports it's customers well.
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10 days after the fire, and still no response from Tata Motors on this.

The owner of the Nano (Mr. Sawant) was sure lucky to have a motorcyclist point out the fire to him in the nick of time, because of which he got saved.

I strongly feel a loudly audible "over temperature alarm" must be incorporated in all vehicles, with sensors placed in critical locations like the engine bay. When we can have audio alerts nowadays for seat belts and so on, why not for this as well ? After all, we cannot be expected to keep our eyes glued on the temperature indicator at all times.
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For the first time I followed a nano all the way from my home to office on my bike today. ....... ...I would advise them to buy after waiting for another six months - till the current problems are ironed out.
I too followed a Nano through the traffic and felt the same way. In fact, I just imagined if the car is to take the kind of two-wheeler-bangs especially in nights, I wasn't sure how many bangs it would stand. I think any hard hit by a two wheeler tyre would damage the engine bay / drive train. As you know in Chennai,most of the two wheelers depend o your rear-fenders to bring their bikes to stop.. Nano proved safe for front impact though. Any such rear impact scares me.
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The on-road price for Nano LX (AC & PS) in Mumbai is 2,09,670. Assuming no discounts were offered a good 20K were paid over and above the on-road price. I'd guess it has to be an ICE + some minor accessories...could that be the reason?

Found the below on Vicky.in
...The company spokesperson claimed that the incident was a freak and off-stray one and has nothing to do with the manufacturing fault. However the company does not leave any tables unturned and is investigating the cause of the fire. But two more such incidents have been reported by the customers last year and Tata acknowledged the incident related to the electrical flaw and specifically the switch problem.

"Now Tata has rectified that flaw and is on the verge of focusing more on safety aspects" he said...


Yeah - they've been on the fringe of safety, good to know that they've progressed to being on the verge of safety.

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If you look at the pics, the fire was caused from the rear engine bay and not from driver's seat.

This type of fire is usually due to overheating or due to fuel leak which has got ignited.
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If you look at the pics, the fire was caused from the rear engine bay and not from driver's seat.

This type of fire is usually due to overheating or due to fuel leak which has got ignited.
Even though it caught fire in the rear side, it still can be a freak accident. Lets see what would be the final conclusion by tata after finishing the investigation.
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Even though it caught fire in the rear side, it still can be a freak accident. Lets see what would be the final conclusion by tata after finishing the investigation.
It is very rarely that car fires lead to an accident.

BTW, for all people thinking that the Nano could become an international desaster:

The European version will quite different featuring a three cylinder engine, haivng a re-worked and widened chassis and will cost about double of what the present model costs.
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10 days after the fire, and still no response from Tata Motors on this.

The owner of the Nano (Mr. Sawant) was sure lucky to have a motorcyclist point out the fire to him in the nick of time, because of which he got saved.

I strongly feel a loudly audible "over temperature alarm" must be incorporated in all vehicles, with sensors placed in critical locations like the engine bay. When we can have audio alerts nowadays for seat belts and so on, why not for this as well ? After all, we cannot be expected to keep our eyes glued on the temperature indicator at all times.
Nano does not have a Temperature indicator, so how would one know if the engine temp is higher than normal operating temp?! Atleast mine doesnt have one!
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By the way, how is buying a Tata Nano better value, than buying perhaps an Alto? I mean, the price differential is not much after all.
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By the way, how is buying a Tata Nano better value, than buying perhaps an Alto? I mean, the price differential is not much after all.
If you call a sum of around Rs80000-100000/- not much after all, then yes a nano is not a better value than a Alto.
But remember for most of the people the nano would be their first and the only car and for them this differnce is HUGE. Add ot it the additional interst charges of finance and the EMIs.And for some people like me the Nano is any day better than a Alto only because it has its own charm.
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