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Old 30th August 2010, 15:22   #556
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Sabotage by competitors resulting in Nanos going up in flames !!!
Hmm. Interesting... Quite some imagination at work there. And darn pretty wild one at that.

Given that everyone from Maruti, Bajaj, Naxals, the west, commies, Mamata etc etc figure in the list of possible-sabotagers, why leave out the pet hate of Indian politicians - ISI/Pakistan ? Actually, could be ISI+Taliban too - so that they can hit Indian economy/innovation. LOL.

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Sabotage by competitors resulting in Nanos going up in flames !!!
Hmm. Interesting... Quite some imagination at work there. And darn pretty wild one at that.

Given that everyone from Maruti, Bajaj, Naxals, the west, commies, Mamata etc etc figure in the list of possible-sabotagers, why leave out the pet hate of Indian politicians - ISI/Pakistan ? Actually, could be ISI+Taliban too - so that they can hit Indian economy/innovation. LOL.
-Osama whatshisname Suzuki made extremely dismissive and derogatory remarks about Tata and the Nano
-Sunita Narain and Pankaj Pachauri went on frenzied spree of nano-bashing, even before it was released.
-Bajaj has made anti-nano noises, and Ratan Tata also hinted at competitors involved in obstructing the nano factory project
-Violent protests took place in Singur, and majority of the 'protesters' were drawn from outside including Naxal type organizations.
-The whole idea of Nano met with racist contempt from most western auto journos and bloggers, till some of them actually took a test drive and found that it wasn't made of plastic and glued together, and wasn't a golf cart.

All the above are stuff that actually happened, not imagination.

Doesn't mean that any of those folks were burning Nanos, just that there could be vested interests (including mundane things like disappointed buyers trying to win insurance payouts) coupled with TV channel sensationalism that could be blowing these incidents out of proportion.



ISI/Pakistan involvement of course, sounds like imagination, and you were the one doing the imagining.

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You cannot rule out competitors involvement. There are companies who do these in India to their competitors, I know few. :-). One of them is a market leader
who enjoys 80%+ market share in India.
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@chncar, every new idea will have those that appreciate it and those that abhor it. But to say that anyone who voices an "against" opinion is a saboteur is stretching things a bit too far.

BTW, Ms.Narain was also up in arms against Coca-Cola. So if a Coke-unit happens to go up in flames, would she be the suspect ?

Heck, if you can suggest that a Cabinet minister of India is out burning Nanos, what is so imaginative about the ISI doing it ? You forget that you started the imagination.

@Latheesh, not sure which domain you are referring to and I am sure you know what you are talking about. But I doubt reputed manufacturers like Bajaj/MSIL would resort to such tactics. Mr.Suzuki did put his foot down his throat by saying that the Nano is not feasible, but saying that he or MSIL would try to burn Nanos is well...

We have repeat instances of a particular car burning and then we have excuses like it is the supplier to blame, its a sabotage, it is not the manufaturers fault etc. I mean, there are hundreds of parts that go into a car made by different suppliers, but in what name does the car go out as ? Does it go as a Tata / Ford / Maruti or as a Lucas / Girling / Fenner car ?

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@Latheesh, not sure which domain you are referring to and I am sure you know what you are talking about. But I doubt reputed manufacturers like Bajaj/MSIL would resort to such tactics. Mr.Suzuki did put his foot down his throat by saying that the Nano is not feasible, but saying that he or MSIL would try to burn Nanos is well...

We have repeat instances of a particular car burning and then we have excuses like it is the supplier to blame, its a sabotage, it is not the manufaturers fault etc. I mean, there are hundreds of parts that go into a car made by different suppliers, but in what name does the car go out as ? Does it go as a Tata / Ford / Maruti or as a Lucas / Girling / Fenner car ?
Well I think Latheesh is referring to FMCG space it is an open secret.

By the way few pages back I posted a new-york times link on what Toyota did to an activist and and ex-automobile engineer who found faults with the gas pedal in Japan years before it was noticed in U.S.A , So I don't think there are saints sitting at top management of reputed automobile manufacturers either.

About fires in mass produced cars in India this thread has fire incidence in Honda in India which killed one person. While in other countries they acknowledged that there is issue with power window. In India they did not recall.
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About fires in mass produced cars in India this thread has fire incidence in Honda in India which killed one person. While in other countries they acknowledged that there is issue with power window. In India they did not recall.
I can vouch for this. My landlord's Honda was recalled for this issue with the power window (he owns a Fit aka the Jazz) design. I actually opened the "recall notice".
This design was common to other Honda cars, and they recalled these cars in North America.

However, there is nothing to be gained by pointing fingers at the competition's mistakes, the need of the hour is an investigation and a report as soon as possible (I understand that with a burnt car, this is going to be hard). There is a reason why I think these fire related incidents don't add up. I happen to know the amount of testing that has been done (atleast a good estimate) on the Nano, and any design issue was bound to crop up during the extensive testing. Note, I say "design issue" specifically.

Like SupremeBaleno said, there is always a chance that the odd supplier goofed up on a part.
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All mass produced cars have incidents of fire in the past and not just in India but across the globe. They just haven't been as publicized as Nano fire.

Here are few photographs that I got off Google. Just type in 'Car Fire'and see for yourself that Cars catching fire isn't a Tata or Nano problem alone.

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Maruti Esteem, Ludhiana - June 22, 2007 (The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - LUDHIANA)

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Well I think Latheesh is referring to FMCG space it is an open secret.
Yes I was referring FMCG and other sectors not auto. Those companies are in the league of TATA/BAJAJ/MARUTI when it comes to reputation. If they can do such things, we cannot rule out competitors involvement in this case.

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@chncar, every new idea will have those that appreciate it and those that abhor it. But to say that anyone who voices an "against" opinion is a saboteur is stretching things a bit too far.

BTW, Ms.Narain was also up in arms against Coca-Cola. So if a Coke-unit happens to go up in flames, would she be the suspect ?

Heck, if you can suggest that a Cabinet minister of India is out burning Nanos, what is so imaginative about the ISI doing it ? You forget that you started the imagination.
You are missing my point completely, and taking it literally. All I am saying is that there are powerful vested interests at work, and if not actually staging the fire, they are very well capable of buying adverse publicity especially since most of our so-called reputed media outlets can basically be rented by the highest bidder.

Again, I did not mention Mamta, my reference to Singur was in the context that there appeared to be a lot of 'professional agitators' employed and it is not inconceivable that they were funded by some corporate interests. But since you mention politicians and ministers, I am sure you are aware that there are a lot of MPs with criminal records, union minsters have been jailed for corruption, and most of the henious crimes done have political links or protection. So I don't really get your logic that being a politician/minister makes one beyond reproach, though at no point in time was I referring to Mamta or anybody in the current cabinet.
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A very useful link on what to do when a car catches fire, including advice on fire extinguisher use :

Vehicle fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


As the link says, the engine firewall is supposed to take protect the occupants in case of engine fires. As mentioned in my previous post, I do not understand how the fire could have engulfed the entire car so quickly, if there is a firewall

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I feel very sorry for Nano who is facing problems right from its development to birth and now after birth. The car which enjoyed star status until now is garnering attention for very wrong reasons. The people who were more interested in its mileage and driveability until now are now thanking their Gods for not being part of fiery Nanoes. IMHO the cause only lies in less than perfect R&D at Tata, who is famous for problems in its entire product range. So much for one lakh and the dream behind it and the people who were a part of the accidents. Is there nobody in India who can question them Yeh aag kab bujhegi?
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-Osama whatshisname Suzuki made extremely dismissive and derogatory remarks about Tata and the Nano


Hey, you got that name all mixed up! Osamu Suzuki is the man you want, not Osama bin whatshisname!
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This thread is born again.

I have posted lot of links regarding cars catching fire on this thread. One among them, a chevy beat catching fire within two months of launch. Please care to answer these questions:
1. Why media never covered this: Leave about hyping up to the level it was done in nano's case, media never covered this. WHY?
2. Why did the so-called well-informed, expert, un-baised t-bhpians did not care to post on this. WHY?

@blue pulsar: 3 nanos out off 50K+ doesnot make it a design issue.

Nano catching fire is a problem but don't single out nano. So many other cars catch fire but media never overs them. Did anyone care to find out if the owner of this nano got his fuel pipie changed. If not, he has some blame to share.


Impact of this story: A layman thinks nano is the only car in the world to catch fire.
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Hey, you got that name all mixed up! Osamu Suzuki is the man you want, not Osama bin whatshisname!

Saar, I was just showing him the same contempt that he had for the Nano/Tata.
Osamu Suzuki – Finding the Nano hard to swallow | Indian Autos blog
Print Article - Tata gives blame-game a miss at Nano launch
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All mass produced cars have incidents of fire in the past and not just in India but across the globe. They just haven't been as publicized as Nano fire.

Here are few photographs that I got off Google. Just type in 'Car Fire'and see for yourself that Cars catching fire isn't a Tata or Nano problem alone.

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The safe and reliable Toyota Prius!

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Maruti Esteem, Ludhiana - June 22, 2007 (The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - LUDHIANA)

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Maruti Again - this time people's car - 800
Maruti 800 car, Feature Photo, FIRE FURY: A Maruti 800 car ca...
Very easy to copy paste Google Image search! Well, do you know how many of these had after market fitments? (ICE, LPG/CNG kit etc.)

All the burning Nanos were bone stock!
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