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Old 9th May 2017, 11:34   #121
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Default Paid news to new levels. Now india today. Cars in Question Dzire and safari storme.

Look at the way Dzire safety is highlighted here even with out a single proper picture of the vehicle.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/auto/st.../1/951450.html

Another source shows damage is considerable for dzire too.

http://www.india.com/auto/2017-marut...afety-2122664/

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Default re: Paid news to new levels. Now india today. Cars in Question Dzire and safari storme.

Thats the way to feed inputs to the gullible buyers, who lack car knowledge and car sense.And we are sure to see it top the car sales chart very soon.

Its only a recent news that the older model got ZERO in the NCAP crash test ratings. What and how they have improved upon, to make this design more safety compliant (if at all) needs to be highlighted.
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Default Re: Paid news to new levels. Now india today. Cars in Question Dzire and safari storme.

Shameless marketing by Maruti.

The second article shows the damage clearly but the drivespark article is total hogwash.

The front of the cars are designed to crumple under impact just like the way you see on safari. That would have happened on any body on frame chassis including Fortuner.

The "BIGGEST MYSTERY" of all is that they claim that safari was overtaking the dzire then how come both the cars are having damage on the same side ?


There could have been numerous circumstances where both the cars may have impacted different things under related circumstances.

Utter disgrace on part of the reporting agencies.
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When corporates pay, corporate interest is served, when public pays, public interest is served. Since we pay zilch, we get zilch or worse - we get misinformed.

It's time we get real. It's a Capitalistic economy, media is no 4th pillar in any actual sense.

This is why I've been advocating across social media, that we must pay for unbiased news.
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In this era of post-truth journalism, the least we can do is make our source of information (& their related parties) go through a propriety audit. Unfortunately, practically nobody will let this happen. So, lets talk about the possible solution. (This prudence holds true even for regular NEWS.)...

...will need to pragmatically ensure the experts & professionals are not externally influenced.

Edit : I understand its hard to make this happen, but please consider that this prudence holds true even for regular NEWS. It can be any media that we read/watch everyday to form our worldview.
IIRC there's already such type of a working business model in Australia.

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When corporates pay, corporate interest is served, when public pays, public interest is served. Since we pay zilch, we get zilch or worse - we get misinformed.
Sadly what we pay for with Tax payer money is Doordarshan That leaves us with click bait journalism that is making us pay attention (monetized by way of ads). Paid mud slinging, or bland ignorant reviews. Car A is very good, Car B is also very good. Then why the hell were you screaming hot new car comparison/shootout for weeks, when you cannot differentiate them on anything but the obvious (like price).

One of the last few publicly funded media organizations still standing is the BBC (Top gear). In the US, PBS (Motorweek) has been great but funding has been under increased attack - especially after Putin came to power
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Pathetic "journalism" by india today. Its not that difficult to realise for a human that an accident report is not the place for advertisement. But looks like its being run by Maruti money alone.

Now whenever i'll catch this new dzire on the road, This will be the first thing that will pop into my head. (Remember how they advertised it). Thanks maruti for that
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Look at the way Dzire safety is highlighted here even with out a single proper picture of the vehicle.
Shameful, also feels like it is written by 5th graders, for 5th graders - an opportunistic mention of the incident for a paragraph or two then copy-paste the specifications, features and price of the car. Who cannot possibly understand that this was a paid advertisement?

I truly avoid reviews of any kind, by any news/YouTube channel these days, things are never as they claim it is and they simply force feed the product's "greatness" down our throat to fulfill their marketing agenda.

We all have our choices and biases, so I wont stoop to calling the Dzire a bad product, it surely may not be.. but such kind of cheap publicity without any knowledge of how anything happened or without any details is the same as a certain Bollywood "star" showing his human-ness two days before the release of his picture. It has only one goal - blockbuster opening.
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Look at the way Dzire safety is highlighted here even with out a single proper picture of the vehicle.
Thanks for sharing.
This looks like a Maruti lead commercial, more than a news. I have never seen an accident news discussing the vehicle specs, engine performance, its body strength, etc.
I had to read through the entire news to get to know everyone in both the vehicles escaped without getting hurt in the accident. What kind of news is this?

It seems like Storme damage could be due to some major hit against the median or some strong concrete structure. No way, hitting against the Dzire would damage Storme this much.
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On a broad level, I am not able to think of any branch of journalism, even think tanks or research groups who work without bias. It's on the lines of private schools and hospitals where commercial interests trump the ethical lines.

One of the biggest reasons that there is not accountability. You can find a biased reported but can't do much except for stop buying that publication.

While free press is desirable, current situation is lopsided with insufficient checks and balances.
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Here's an advertorial on the Duster Petrol CVT:
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The strengthened Duster gets a new engine and CVT gearbox to further its product range

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The Title/headline indicates some kind of "strengthening" (seemingly indicating body frame/structural improvements) but nowhere in the article it discusses the details of it.

We all know that just recently the Duster got a 0 NCAP rating (base model without airbags)

*Also, the url mentioned at the bottom of the article is incorrect, it does not resolve to a page on the Renault India site (throws up a 404 error).

Source:Indian Express, Bangalore's Friday 12 May 2017 supplement "Indulge" - epaper Link

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Haha! Look at ET's headline - How Maruti, Tata and Mahindra are promising to make killer roads safer for you

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...w/58830787.cms

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This review takes the word "biased" to a whole new level! It looks like a Jeep commercial, not a review.

He is praising the Compass like anything here. He says, the car has various hard to touch plastics in the cabin, but overall cabin feel is very premium. The off-road shots are just plain useless.



Another biased review is the Hexa vs Tucson vs Jeep Compass by Overdrive. The Compass as expected is the winner. Grow up guys!

Looks like all these are getting a fat pay check from jeep. They are also trying to create a hype about the car on twitter by saying that it will be competitively priced between 18-25 lakhs. Who are they trying to fool?

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This review takes the word "biased" to a whole new level! It looks like a Jeep commercial, not a review.

He is praising the Compass like anything here. He says, the car has various hard to touch plastics in the cabin, but overall cabin feel is very premium. The off-road shots are just plain useless.

Another biased review is the Hexa vs Tucson vs Jeep Compass by Overdrive. The Compass as expected is the winner. Grow up guys!

Looks like all these are getting a fat pay check from jeep. They are also trying to create a hype about the car on twitter by saying that it will be competitively priced between 18-25 lakhs. Who are they trying to fool?
I think this trend is with most of the portals now, some of them even started 'mentioning' it nowadays as 'sponsored' or 'ad feature' whereas it's just like a normal article but they are just bragging and promoting a particular car. I'm talking about XE on Top Gear where they have a post which is even shared on social media

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Sign of the times? Dust in peace?

Got the latest Autocar India about 7 - 8 days back. Still not opened it, the mag is just lying next to my desk in its plastic cover. This, from a guy who spends at least 1 hour a day reading articles (online).

The internet has well & truly killed the car magazine industry. There's nothing new when you read them. Even the current writing quality is a pale shadow of what they used to churn out in the 90s. Back then, you could learn a lot by reading magazines. Today, it's just a waste of time.

When I do open a car magazine, I'm usually done in 30 minutes (max 45). And there's no satisfaction after that. Would much rather spend that time on a long-form article on the internet by a top-class writer or a review like this (Owner's take: My Isuzu V-Cross 4x4).

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