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Old 3rd November 2005, 18:34   #31
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Hey shuvc,

which issue of ACI has the latest spare parts comparo ? r u referring to the NOV issue ?

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Thats right .. the Nov issue.
Last year, they had the comparo in the August issue.
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BUffetfan as I told you in the other thread there are many features in the lxi that are not upgradeable and there is no lancer vx but only the standard LX which is in comparision to the vxi.

and above are the reasons why lancer lx should be compared to the vxi.
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Can you please help me understand which are the non upgradeable features in Baleno Lxi you are talking about (which BTW can be had for On Road 5.8-6.0 lakhs) so you pay Rs 1.5 lakh more for the lancer if we were to believe a 7.3 lakh onroad price....

if we were to believe Trinidha..this price difference is upto 2.2 lakhs... (Baleno Lxi as abt 5.8 lakhs on road in HYD while Lancer Lx 8 lakh change...)



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i dont know how much lancer is priced in the other metros but in hyderabad there is only one showroom of lancer and is being shared along with premier auto
SUREKHA AUTO is right after seeing dev fight for lancer so much i can only say onething the prices the surekha auto has quoted is wa way beyond imagination
he quoted for 1.8 L Petrol automatic a price tag of 9.3laks and for lx deisel 9.04 and forget 1.5petrol he was quoting 8 change (all the prices are on road prices) forget baleno it can beat a scorpio in rates as well I am not spamming, dear i was with aadix at the showroom

you have responded this to one of my messages on the other thread

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lxi doesnt have a stereo system et al,no seat height adjuster,no power antenna, no keyless entry, no spoiler and no alloy wheels. have a look here.
Does Lancer LX come with all these as standard fitment???? I would seriously doubt that...???


Can you also let me know some more about the excellant service network that Lancer has??? Persons who would have got their Fiats serviced by Sureka (he used to sell Fiats earlier bfore switchin to Lancer dealership...I bought my Uno from him) would vouch that dealers like him do not even provide 50% of customer satisfaction that a Maruti Dealer gives...

So I still maintain that the comparison should be with Baleno Lxi and not Vxi....to reproduce my post on the earlier discussion forum here too




Compare feature to feature Baleno Lxi to Lancer Lx and not Baleno Vxi to Lxi...reason is simple...these models have similar features.
so lets compare features and not price...the Vxi model comes at at different price point to suit persons who like the additional features...and are willing to pay a premium for factory fitted features.


Now..the person who pucrchases a Lancer Lx compared to Baleno gets 6.5 cms more in length of car (4225 mm versus 4290 mm) (width is same @ 1690 mm)
1. Pays Rs 1.5-2.2 lakh more
2. Burns more fuel (Only by experience..most of the Baleno owners .and i own one too report between 12 to 13.5 kmpl in CITY driving)..no ACI figures available for Lancer Petrol..accoerding to ACI even the Baleno gives 13kmpl... lancer diesel give 13kmpl (avg of city+highway) but no Petrol figures are available (Petrol mileage is generaly lower than diesel for the same models..and my friends never quote more than 11.5 for their lancer petrols

3. Has lower pickup and generally is happy looking at the Baleno tailpipe unless he spends a forture moddign his car and in the proces voiding the warranty and peace of mind.

Power : Baleno / Lancer 1.6 litre / 1.5 litre and 94/85 BHP

according to ACI
0-100

Lancer 12.95 secs

Baleno 11.1 secs

Top Speed

Lancer 170 kmph
Baleno 185 kmph
Before you start quoting the usually subjective BS motoring comparo...please have a look at this thread too
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/showp...3&postcount=119
Stock Baleno was also faster in a test between OHC 1.5, Astra, Nexia, Baleno and Lancer...it had the highest top speed and had the smallest 0-100 time (guess 2001 June overdrive)

4. 3 year warranty is subjective but with the Baleno too you can have a 4 year / 80 k warranty by paying Rs 4 k extra.

5. Ride : Subjective...but Baleno is not a bonejarring ride...far from it in fact. And the lancer I rode recently (Taxi though) did not have a very good ride..and 3 in rear was pretty cramped too.

6. Handling...: Baleno is pretty good in handling...Lancer might be better here but then where is the power so sorely required to take it to the handling limits

7. NVH : Lancer might be more silent here..Baleno's Aluminium engine (compared to the cast iron block of the lancer) has a metallic tone to it...music to some ears...whine to others..however it is only when revved hard

8. Resale...if you pay Rs 1.5-2.2 lakh less upfront...after 5 years you should get at least 3-5 lakh rs more in Resale in Lancer just to get even!!!! so if the Balno gets you 2.5 lakh Rs after 5 years...will the lancer fetch you 5.5-7.5 lakh???

9. Looks : Agree that lancer looks better to me at least...but then again...not a big criteria for me..in fact Balenos also look gr8 if in black with alloys and 14'' rims...

10. AC: Balneo AC is good....period...and you really dont require vents for the rear seat passengers for them to feel cool..believe me I dont even have sun film in my car...it is that good...Lancer AC is good too but believe Baleno is better.

11. Talking of mods...Balenos have been winning rallies of late..how many lancers have been doing that???

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2001/20010818/sports.htm
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http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanh...27192005530.asp

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/.../08/08/&prd=th&

http://mai.co.in/results/2004/keral...ation%20ss1.pdf

To quote Overdrive
http://www.overdriveindia.com/art_d...sports&code=145
"Pace wasnt a problem with the Baleno and on the only trouble free outing for the car Karandip Singh went on to win the K-1000 rally beating the Hondas. "

Stock Baleno was also faster in a test between OHC 1.5, Astra, Nexia, Baleno and Lancer...it had the highest top speed and had the smallest 0-100 time (guess 2001 June overdrive)

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Old 4th November 2005, 03:41   #33
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Buffetfan the baleno vxi and lancerlx with upgrades(only alloys,spoiler and cd which are all easy upgrade option provided by the company) are taken into consideration to accomodate with the NHC zx gxi

the 7.3 price for lancer is confirmed and given by SHuvc.

Baleno Sedan LXi - Bharat III Non-Metallic 619502
Lancer lxi BSIII ex showroom is 6.59+38k for BSIII model= 6.97

add keyless entry(not present on baleno),power antenna, height adjuster, cassette stereo, more space, rear window demister and the 4 year maruti warranty at the extra price. while many of the upgrades are not possible with the available accessories lets say the new price is 6.40


Ok now as MSPrabhakar and Samurai are confused and dont understand Devic stats Lets play addition and subtraction.

take the baleno LXI and not vxi into comparision for your preferences and not mine.

start scoring again. give baleno an 8 on price with your Lxi . reduce a point from lancer's score and NHC each. Baleno's score is now 92. resale value will lift from 56% to 61.5% but the score remains the same.

hence now baleno stands at 92 and lancer at 93. This just shows how much competitive each car is and that's all is important for the discussion. I dont have any right to say which car is the best as it rests on the personal judegements.

TO MSprabhakar and Samurai. I request you to Please keep your humour(which is getting personal and no other members find funny) off the forums

while baleno is old lancer is newer and while NHC is fast , lancer is faster.While it doesnt do many things best it remains good overall.

Its the underestimation of the car that I am trying to point out and not say that it is the best car. I am not a fan nor is HM paying me.

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Here are my two cents on these three cars :

Lancer : It has everything,but lacks on performance.

Baleno : Only performance,but lacks on everything else.

NHC : Only FE.Nothing else.

I cannot put it simpler than this.

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Here are my two cents on these three cars :

Lancer : It has everything,but lacks on performance.

Baleno : Only performance,but lacks on everything else.

NHC : Only FE.Nothing else.

I cannot put it simpler than this.

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that is so true dude!!!!
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TO MSprabhakar and Samurai. I request you to Please keep your humour(which is getting personal and no other members find funny) off the forums
Dude, we were not off-topic and adityapd did find it funny. On a serious note, why don't you explain your ranking method clearly. So far I am not able to understand, and neither does MSprabhakar who appears to have better statistical background than me.
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Ok now as MSPrabhakar and Samurai are confused and dont understand Devic stats Lets play addition and subtraction.
I do not understand it either.

Seriously, good job preparing the points. But as Samurai and others have pointed out, it's totally futile to have this system without weightages.

For Ex i would give Performance the highest grade(weightage). Then Service network, Maintenance, Ride, Space and Handling..

I don't bother too much for the luxury, looks and the interiors.

This is only for me. Similarly other people might have different preferences. Therefore a person would decide more on what he gives more importance to.

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looks 5 7 8
Also things like looks are highly subjective. There are people over here who will agree that NHC looks worse than a Baleno and i'm sure there are others who think vice versa. Similarly the new space saving design of the NHC might be more eye candy than the Lancer for some folks.

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FE 7 7 7
I guess it should be more like 7,6,8. With the NHC being the highest and the Lancer the lowest. Baleno is atleast 1 Km/l more FE than a Lancer petrol.And same for the NHC over the Baleno..

In the end all 3 are fine cars. It just depends on what you are looking for. None of these cars are perfect all have their pros and cons.

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TO MSprabhakar and Samurai. I request you to Please keep your humour(which is getting personal and no other members find funny) off the forums
Truce, comrade! No offence meant, nothing personal... I exercised jest a little bit of humourous license!!

Frankly, you did a very good job of listing most attributes every car buyer will be looking for. There is no such thing called as a universal weightage to such attributes (else, only a single car should sell!). Thanks for your excellent compilation!

Let me share a secret with you... the excellent attribute list that you have prepared and the ranking system that you attempted to create is the basis of a powerful tool called QFD (Quality Function Deployment), also called as the House of Quality, that every serious designer and marketer swears by. Japanese auto makers are Ustaad in this technique, which is why are able to play ball with GM and Ford. Done correctly, this technique can show which features are valued by which customers and how much. Now you know why a company like Honda or Suzuki or Mitsubishi introduces a car with Xx features in market A but with Xx' or even Yy features in market B.

The bottom line is simple: Consumer preferences vary according to individual weightages given to various attributes. To an old man like me, looks may come secondary to performance... but will it be the same to a young lad (or lass?) like you? Believe me, the discussion on preferences in this forum is a goldmine of info for the Japs (or any other smart auto manufacturer)!

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Devarshi,
I agree that Lancer is a gr8 car... 10 bhp more and pricing similar to the Baleno and I would find the decision very tough. In fact Lancers used to outsell Astras when these two were the only cars in the C+ Luxury segment (Escort never did pick up).

However if it was Sureka in Hyerabad I were to buy from...would not even buy @ a 10% discount from the Baleno (Believe me...they are so horrible...at least from my fiat experience)

(PS : Maruti does a horrible job of discounting..their prices on the website are very different from teh actual discount on offer...Lxi might be 6.4 on Road by the website but believe me you can get it under 5.9 lakhs on road...you will find persons in this forum paying 5.76 on road...I paid Rs 5.19 lacs Ex showroom for my Lxi BS III )
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Hey samurai and MSprabhakar. Truce guys, maybe I misunderstood the joke.

now this is what I started the thread for people. thanks for your suggestions. The rankings I gave were based on what I gathered from the websites,my own drive and what people have written on the forum.

x-machine has summed it up very nicely in 3 lines.

IMjimmy FE of lancer is equal to baleno and NHC. I have always got more FE in my lancer than my good friends baleno(His uncle is a dealer himself). But then this is not about only 2 cars but the thousands on road.

Hey Buffetfan just for your information Lancer used to outsell OHC for some time. And yes it is difficult to beat maruti in prices by any manufacturer but then I think the quality is better on the NHC and lancer in that order.

ok guys I think I didnt explain the ranking in details hence the problem. yes it is true that every person has his own preference and hence NHC still sells better being the least powerful of all and baleno still sells while its interiors are not better and it is the oldest. This thread is meant to clear the under rating or overrating the cars and give a real picture.my rankings show that NHC is way overrated and lancer is underrated.

my rankings show which car is better overall, meaning which car is able to fare well on all aspects and not just one or two like interiors or maintainence or cooling.

IF a person has had a bad experience with Honda I dont see him buying a honda ever and that is his personal preference.

what I tried to do with rankings is look at the car in the market as most people do.(I tried to be as imparital to display a real picture)

I took the ex-showroom prices from their respective website. Dicounts very from cities to cities hence I didnt take it into consideration.

I took resale from www.jmdcars.com which I found to be a good company and they also have many cars for resale in that price brakcet.

A/c is based on the fact that all know baleno's ac is powerful plus has automatic controls, lancer has the extra reat vents and is very silent and NHC is known to be the most common units around.

Service network is based on the number of dealers. quality of dealers I took under maintainence which not many may agree to. Maruti has the highest number of dealers while honda has the least.( I took the dealers as the number of cities the dealers are present from their websites)

performance again is straightforward calculation.So is handling of the car from the reviews given by the owners

By luxury I meant the status a car has in the market. Baleno is considered to be cheaper than the NHC and lancer in the market.

looks differs from person to person. Many like NHC better than the baleno and many also like baleno better than the lancer. But in general terms majority of you find lancer beautiful. In between the NHC and baleno NHC wins just because it is a fresh design.

Space is not much different in these cars except by a small margin. Hence i gave equal points.

Interiors are again based what others say on the looks, comfort and ergonomics. NHC is the best as all of you have said while lancer and baleno are both old and look bland but are equally comfortably. I find the laners interior to be better on the basis of ergonomics but then my preference is personal so I didnt take that into account.

maintainence is based on the dealer service quality and the costs incurred on the car and their prices. Not much is different but many have posted honda dealers going the fiat way of being rude and lying(vtec is less powerful than NHC) hence 1 point less.

my rankings are not universal but I have just tried to put in a general perception people have.
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For Bufetfan and the likes -

Lancer LX OTR Mumbai - 7,20,000 (after discount)
Baleno VXi OTR Mumbai - 7,27,000 (after discount)

Both prices taken from JMD and discounts on an outright purchase.

Now,
the Baleno clearly wins feature wise as it offers Alloy wheels, tubeless tyres, spoiler and an MP3 player along with the usual lancer features. Oh and a climate control.
Now for 27K extra one can get all those stuff fitted in the lancer except the climate control. So the price difference equates to roughly 20K between these two cars. (I have included a KnN filter in the figure which increases performance and FE)
Now,
In order to make up the 20K extra and the climate control a.c.,
the lancer will offer you better warranty, better FE, equal performance (remember, i have added a KnN to the list), better handling and stability at high speeds (what is the point of having a high performance car if it makes you s*** in your pants everytime you take it over 120 kmph?), better looks, better interiors (both in design and quality), a more upmarket tag, a more refined engine, and a much, much better car o drive and even learn in.

Now Maruti on the other hand, will offer you a dealership everywhere you turn your head, cheap spares and a whole bucketload of crap excuses to why the Baleno is a better buy and most importantly, a better quality brochure. Oh and a better ride but only slightly and the ALL IMPORTANT climate control a.c.
Think about it.

Any lancer owner here check out www.thelancerclub.com?
It is well.. a... a lancer owners club and you get special rates on a few stuff here and there. Can someone check it out please as it isn't opening on my comp for some reason.
Thanks.

This is my exact post from the other thread.
I haven't compared it to the city but i can do that also.

Oh and since you guys want weightage -
Weightage according to the 2 types of classes there are -
Enthusiasts and What's ABS? type of people who just use a car because they are too good for bus nd cab.

Drivers car - lancer any day. What is the point of a performance car if you feel scared taking it at high speeds? Also lancer is easier to drive and a KnN and a free flowis all that is needed.

Pukka Indian Car - Lancer. It has a prestigeous badge, resale is the same after 5 years, 3 year warranty, good FE and good price. (If maintainance was taken into consideration, esteem would still be the most in demand mid sizer)
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Hey Lamborghini thanks for putting in the prices and update.

so what I concur from the discussion above is

you want cheap and more value for money go for the baleno lxi

you want flashy and better go for the lancer (baleno vxi loses out)This shows it is underrated

you want brandname go NHC. this shows is it overrated.
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For Bufetfan and the likes -

Lancer LX OTR Mumbai - 7,20,000 (after discount)
Baleno VXi OTR Mumbai - 7,27,000 (after discount)

Both prices taken from JMD and discounts on an outright purchase.

Now,
the Baleno clearly wins feature wise as it offers Alloy wheels, tubeless tyres, spoiler and an MP3 player along with the usual lancer features. Oh and a climate control.
Now for 27K extra one can get all those stuff fitted in the lancer except the climate control. So the price difference equates to roughly 20K between these two cars. (I have included a KnN filter in the figure which increases performance and FE)
Now,
In order to make up the 20K extra and the climate control a.c.,
the lancer will offer you better warranty, better FE, equal performance (remember, i have added a KnN to the list), better handling and stability at high speeds (what is the point of having a high performance car if it makes you s*** in your pants everytime you take it over 120 kmph?), better looks, better interiors (both in design and quality), a more upmarket tag, a more refined engine, and a much, much better car o drive and even learn in.

Now Maruti on the other hand, will offer you a dealership everywhere you turn your head, cheap spares and a whole bucketload of crap excuses to why the Baleno is a better buy and most importantly, a better quality brochure. Oh and a better ride but only slightly and the ALL IMPORTANT climate control a.c.
Think about it.

Any lancer owner here check out www.thelancerclub.com?
It is well.. a... a lancer owners club and you get special rates on a few stuff here and there. Can someone check it out please as it isn't opening on my comp for some reason.
Thanks.

This is my exact post from the other thread.
I haven't compared it to the city but i can do that also.

Oh and since you guys want weightage -
Weightage according to the 2 types of classes there are -
Enthusiasts and What's ABS? type of people who just use a car because they are too good for bus nd cab.

Drivers car - lancer any day. What is the point of a performance car if you feel scared taking it at high speeds? Also lancer is easier to drive and a KnN and a free flowis all that is needed.

Pukka Indian Car - Lancer. It has a prestigeous badge, resale is the same after 5 years, 3 year warranty, good FE and good price. (If maintainance was taken into consideration, esteem would still be the most in demand mid sizer)
Lamborghini...just to respond to some of your comments...
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For Buffetfan and the likes -

Lancer LX OTR Mumbai - 7,20,000 (after discount)
Baleno VXi OTR Mumbai - 7,27,000 (after discount)

Both prices taken from JMD and discounts on an outright purchase.

Now,
the Baleno clearly wins feature wise as it offers Alloy wheels, tubeless tyres, spoiler and an MP3 player along with the usual lancer features. Oh and a climate control.
Now for 27K extra one can get all those stuff fitted in the lancer except the climate control. So the price difference equates to roughly 20K between these two cars. (I have included a KnN filter in the figure which increases performance and FE)
I have always maintained that with Lancer Lx you need to compare it with Baleno Lxi and Not Baleno Vxi...yoy pay much less...I am sure you can get Baleno Lxi @ Rs 5.9 lakh onroad in mumbai too..Lancer Lx only has features that Baleno Lx has....nothing more...According to sep05 ACI it does not even come with the Height adjustible seat or tilt steering or the eletric mirrors which the Balno Lxi comes with (I may be wrong as I rely here on ACI data..so feel free to correct me here if that is not the case)..if that is the case than leave Baleno Vxi...one needs to spend money to bring it close to a Baleno Lxi as well...

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the lancer will offer you better warranty, better FE, equal performance (remember, i have added a KnN to the list), better handling and stability at high speeds (what is the point of having a high performance car if it makes you s*** in your pants everytime you take it over 120 kmph?), better looks, better interiors (both in design and quality), a more upmarket tag, a more refined engine, and a much, much better car to drive and even learn in.
Better Warranty??? Paying 4k gives you a 4 year 80k km warranty on a Baleno..compared to 3 year/50k on a Lancer (Remember that you are paying nearly 1.2 lakh less upfront for a Baleno Lxi..so you can spare that 4k)

BTW..even this 3 year / 50k warranty does not come with the lancer LX (the model under consideration)...courtesy their websire

http://www.lancerinindia.com/diff/af...ost_petrol.asp

Better FE : you seem to have quoted ACI figures in the thread..the figures per sep 05 ACI are

Highway : Lancer : 14.9 kmpl Baleno : 15kmpl
City : Lancer : 9.6 kmpl Baleno : 9.7 kmpl ...not a big difference..but surely lancer is not more fuel efficient

Equal Performance : Even if you add k&N (and K&N per se is a controversial filter as the filtering efficiency on K&N leaves a lot to be desired apparently...so do it at the cost of warrantly and engine life!!!)

See this discussion on the efficacy of K&N's on Autoweek forums (http://forums.autoweek.com/thread.j...tart=0&tstart=0). The thread contains a link to an ISO test (http://home.usadatanet.net/~jbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm) of various filters, though for diesel engines. The results are quite revealing - because K&N fares consistently near the bottom of a 8 of its peers on counts like ability to capture dirt, dirt holding capacity and amount of dirt that is allowed to pass through.

Ok...maybe the above test is a lie..but you cannot still close the 2 sec gap between a Baleno and a Lancer 0-100 kmph...and with Lxi coming in 1.2 lakh cheaper than the Lancer...you can actually go in for a hell of a lot of engine mods for that amount..including K&N

better handling and stability at high speeds : Maybe...maybe not...I must tell you however, that I have taken turns in the Baleno @ 150kmph on the expessway and the car remains glued on the ground...in fact the sideways g (a measure of the lateral accleration and hence the grip) of the Baleno was the 2nd highest, after Octavia RS in a recent handling test by overdrive.

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(what is the point of having a high performance car if it makes you s*** in your pants everytime you take it over 120 kmph
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This is really going overboard..if you s*** in your pants everytime you take the Baleno over 120 kmph then you probably will do that in the Lancer too...I have touched upto 176kmph in my Baleno and it really depends on the road you are driving on...but then Balenos would not be wining any ralies in india if teh drivers were busy s*** in their pants ..however the story is otherwise
Balenos have been winning rallies of late..how many lancers have been doing that???

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2001/20010818/sports.htm
race
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanh...27192005530.asp

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/.../08/08/&prd=th&

http://mai.co.in/results/2004/keral...ation%20ss1.pdf

To quote Overdrive
http://www.overdriveindia.com/art_d...sports&code=145
"Pace wasnt a problem with the Baleno and on the only trouble free outing for the car Karandip Singh went on to win the K-1000 rally beating the Hondas. "

Stock Baleno was also faster in a test between OHC 1.5, Astra, Nexia, Baleno and Lancer...it had the highest top speed and had the smallest 0-100 time (guess 2001 June overdrive)


Finally...Looks are subjective...but agree that lancer looks better than Baleno in general to me...however. Balenos do look good if in Black with wide rubber and alloys

ASS : Very important to all of us..and have not been touched...but if dealers like Sureka are selling Lancers in the country..then I am not even touching lancer with a Bargepole...ask anyone who owns a Fiat in Hyd about their reputation (or lack of it)

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Old 7th November 2005, 01:51   #44
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Hey Lamborghini thanks for putting in the prices and update.

so what I concur from the discussion above is

you want cheap and more value for money go for the baleno lxi

you want flashy and better go for the lancer (baleno vxi loses out)This shows it is underrated

you want brandname go NHC. this shows is it overrated.
I generally agree with you ..apart from the definition of lancer being better ..
Better really depends on what you define better as...for me performance and FE is important and hence Baleno is better
.however the lancer does seem to have more brand value...courtesy its Evo cousins :-).
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Drivers car - lancer any day. What is the point of a performance car if you feel scared taking it at high speeds? Also lancer is easier to drive and a KnN and a free flowis all that is needed.
Are you joking??? I drove 430Kms on Baleno yesterday and I was consistently maintaining between 100-120Kms and often hitting 140+Kms. I couldn't do more because it was a 2-lane (one lane each way) highway and slower vehicles and jaywalkers kept getting in the way. Not because car couldn't do it. I have done 150+ in Mysore road (4 lane) and it was glued to the road. Please don't make negative comments unless you have first hand experience, besides you are too young to have any.

The only thing I like about Lancer is the looks. I have been a rear-seat passenger on a Lancer tourist taxi, the seat was too low for comfort and I felt every pothole on the road, hated the ride.
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