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|22nd July 2010, 11:31||#61|
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i.e we keep in touch with our relatives all through the year,
and on an average we all have atleast 500 relatives & friends (near and not so near). and we get to meet them atleast thrice a year during weddings, festivals, etc,etc
So 'word of mouth' spreads much faster and wider in India than in the west.
Another reason is, a car buying decision is not made by an individual in our country. It is a collective decision made by the family in 90% of all car purchases.
So past performance affects today's decisions vastly. If X company has improved and is on par with Y company today that will reflect in their future sales.
I don't think only Indian companies are discriminated. Even foreign players like Fiat and Ford are disuaded by many(common public) because of their past.
|22nd July 2010, 15:45||#62|
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At the moment TATA and Mahindra are the only companies to offer an SUV under 10L range. Indica Vista Aura+(p) is the only sub 5.5 l OTR car with safety features like ABS and Air bags along with the space and comfort of a C segment car.
Different brands have different core competencies, for Indians they are Space/Comfort and VFM factor, for Japs/Koreans its the engine refinement and interior finish and for the Europeans its the sheer build quality and not all Indian buyers understand this which results in baseless statements like M&M and TATA are Truck manufacturers.
So to answer your question do you look like a villager if you spend 11L on a scorpio. No you dont. All it means is that your set of requirements for buying a car are different from the one buying an innova.
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|22nd July 2010, 18:34||#63|
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but i would say the situation is not entirely different in T-BHP. Japs are considered the "Gods" among cars even here. I am not stereotyping all members but some are there, who have never agreed that an indian car can beat a jap car (in threads where indica vista & swift is compared or in another thread where scorpio/safari is compared to innova) in any parameter.
the word "any" is important as i do realize that overall as a product, some of the jap cars are far superior.
some instances i remember (point 2 are by Jap fans):
1> indica vista offers more space & better ride quality than the swift, at a lower cost.
2> swift is a japanese product, so it would be more reliable. (this was before the vista was launched!)
now, i understand that tata cars do give some issues, but such wild speculations even before the car is released???
the maximum number of times i have seen such biased opinion are in scorpio/safari threads where innova comes into picture. many opinions are from people who have never test driven the new scorpio or safari.
1> (by me) i have an innova as well as a scorpio. the scorpio is more refined than the innova.
2> LOL, are you kidding me? a scorpio is more refined!!!
these are the guys who have never sat in a scorpio but are adamant that a "mahindra" can never be more refined than a "toyota". my personal experience says NVH is definitely better in the scorpio, except the scorpio's vibrating gear lever in 3rd gear! the engine noise is lesser in scorpio's cabin & even very little outside/road/tyre noise filters into a scorpio's cabin, compared to an innova. to those guys who wont bother sitting in a "mahindra", open a scorpio's door pad, you will notice the kind of insulation mahindra has provided on the doors.
i am not against all jap cars, but i dislike their cars for many reasons. they are very puny, they are built of wafer thin sheet metal & their high revving engines dont inspire me. if the japs are so superior, why have they not introduced a good diesel engine below 15 lakhs till now? dont say the innova's D-4D engine is good, its nowhere as powerful or refined as the mHawk or DICOR. heck, even the engine in the 25 lakh fortuner is noisy. many will say, they compensate by offering reliable engines. i have never been stranded on the road because of any engine issue. Look at the features provided & look at the performance, its not indian companies which are cheap, the japs are! all in the name of reliability! and indian cars are often blamed for the poor fit & finish, which will hardly bother your ownership experience.
now i do expect a lot of bashing because if this!
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|22nd July 2010, 18:59||#64|
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Sigh .. Raj that is life not only automobiles but lots of other areas ,perception matters a lot on from where a product or person ( in human resource ) based industry is coming from.
I am working in a cellphone comp. we internally demoed some feature 2 years back and the response was " good effort but can't go to market" leading 2 platforms introduced same in latest releases and question asked is why it could not have been done earlier :-)
Similarly in my wife's comp. the US based client had some problem which was traced to a faulty networking component (switch) analysis was given but customer kept on insisting on RCA not believing them finally a US based consultant was hired at 300 US$ per hours who showed to client where the fault is.
So crux of the story people are dismissive of products/projects/proposals which come from a country where roads have potholes , traffic is chaotic and power is intermittent , people are never in time blah blah.
It takes many years of confidence building and winning over to convert them.
Even we people blame late-latifi and chalta hai attitude but how many times we think people are always on time in developed economies because metros and buses enable them to come in time and reach homes in time so they are refresh and alert next day.
Service providers fix things and fit right parts in time because couriers don't get stuck due to infrastructure bottlenecks and they get parts and materials well in time.
So in all it depends on the overall development which allows society as whole to become more efficient,reliable and of higher quality which generates trust in general. The same trust gets reflected in brands and products from that country.
Sorry for long rant but that is my own personal opinion.
Impressions can not change overnight wise people do not go by impressions and throw money, I am glad you are wise ;-)
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|22nd July 2010, 23:14||#65|
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This is called growing pains. We as in India or Indians do not have a world class product at any level. So once we start coming up with products the perception of common person(who bases his/her opinions on inputs/choices from neighbors, friends, relatives, coworkers, etc.) will gradually change.
Here is an apt couplet from Thirukkural:
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