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Old 21st July 2010, 18:11   #16
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beg to differ, but isn't it apples to orange comparison. Magic is 8-10 seater which isn't even sold in urban areas.
Magic Iris is four seater alternative to autorik.

For more information go to Auto Expo 2010: Tata Magic Iris is ready to take on the trike — Autoblog
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Has anyone thought about the re training costs involved?
Auto drivers require a 3 wheeler license which is more akin to a scooter. I do not think maximum of them even know how to drive a car! They have to be hurriedly taught driving - and suddenly we are going to have 10000 newbies on road - all at once!
If the auo->nano transition does happen, it should be in a phased manner. Do a small feasibility study in a small tier II-III city, and if successful - replicate it on a large, but phased scale in metros.
We would also require nanocab variants.
Give that a thought.
PS: One thing is common - both auto and nano have their engines located at the rear!
It does mention that its going to be starting with 10K Nanos. And it never said it will be provided to existing Auto drivers only. Govt will looking for drivers and sharing the profits. So, I don't think we will suddenly have 10K Nanos all at once on roads. Ofcourse it would be in batches.

And it may be planed like the one for Meru cabs, where we had initially nearly 1000 cars and we did get cab drivers. Isn't it?

Everything has a beginning. So, lets wait and see how this is executed.
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Well .. im not thinking a nano NYC-TAXI on our streets. Im just thinking badly behaved 4 wheelers instead of 3 wheelers!

The only way there can be any real improvement is if the likes of Meru and Mega cab to roll out A-Segment Taxis (Alto, Nano, 800) for local commuting
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The only way there can be any real improvement is if the likes of Meru and Mega cab to roll out A-Segment Taxis (Alto, Nano, 800) for local commuting
That would be awesome. If we have cheap cabs, then people can avoid taking those Auto rickshaws. Hopefully, that would force these guys to improve their behaviour. Bangalore Auto rickshaws are among the worst in the whole country.
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^^ If we really want Auto guys to behave you need to break down their unions which are like Godfathers for them. Forget the Nano, even if there are being given out for free they will still behave like they own the roads because of the unions and brotherhood.

Other factors. Opening car/ Nano doors on public roads if a passenger has to stop. How comfortable is that going to be ? How many passengers are going to check if there are other motorists coming from behind before opening the doors.

Size of the Nano is not equal to the Rickshaw. I see more commotion on the roads more than anything else.
Besides a Nano cannot completely do everything an Auto does. People are still going to opt for the auto for getting into smaller lanes and shortcuts.
I'd be happy to see a private operator using this boon by the Government.

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The safety factor will definitely increase.
I dont think the Nano will be wider than the current autos especially the piaggios and the apes.
Cost of travel will increase and I am sure the Bangalorians wont mind that.

The Unexpected U turns in the midddle of the road which the auto drivers are reputed for will stop which is really great.
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Banglore and Mumbai Autowallahs are like Mahatma Gandhi in front of their Chennai counterparts. Please feel blessed if u are from Bangalore/Mumbai. Every single Chennai autorickshaw driver is a daylight robber. No Exaggeration! Rs 25 per km is the norm here and these guys do it right under the nose of the govt despite repeated petitions from citizens
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A rather tough task to implement.
Should take a minimum of 5 years to implement. Many May go against this move also because of the Mileage/CNG factor.
Obviously the 1.3 lac variant is for the basic petrol.
Add another 30k for a CNG variant. This basically does not help the general public as the "Nano Auto" will charge actual Taxi charges compared to the lower auto fee/km.

Total People That can sit an auto 3+1, In a Nano 3 1/2 +1 . I think many will stick old to good old autos.
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What about the cost to the consumer?
Nano gives 20kmpl with petrol and auto 25kmpl on lpg.
Wont replacing all autos with nanos dramatically increase the cost of commutation?

And I dont think nano cabs will be more safe than our existing indicab drivers. The devil's vehicle will just change from being 3-wheeled to being 4-wheeled.

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Nope .. i can't say i agree with this idea. Like Amitoj said the thought of giving the auto guys even a marginally more powerful vehicle gives me nightmares. The better stability compared to three wheels might prompt them to be even more rash. I'm not convinced.
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Banglore and Mumbai Autowallahs are like Mahatma Gandhi in front of their Chennai counterparts.
I feel same way for Pune Auto Rikshaws. I think Mumbai and Delhi people also feel the same way. Whatever they drive, Bajaj auto or Tata nano, its the attitude that will matter.

Btw, my daughter, who is so used to having two cars at home, gets really excited when we are going out in Auto Rikshaw. Riksha is preferred transport from many. Also, many people, specially ladies, feel safer in auto as it is open to view from outside.
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I don't think they are planning to replace the Autos. The article says that they plan to buy a few nanos and share them with people who want to run them as Taxis. So the Autos are not going anywhere. But if these become a success, then hopefully, the Autos could become obsolete.
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When nano was launched some of us atleast thought about this scenario of Auto's being replaced by Nano.

Anyways, I too feel the look and feel or Technology of Auto-Rikshaws have nothing much to do with their road behaviour. It will depend on the culture of the person who drives that and their accountability to Public.

If BMTC is bringing Nano and participating in the operation, I feel we have hope for better management and issue resolution. Volvo buses are managed well in Bangalore by BMTC and though costly operates with Profit and are popular in many routes.

Nano will be welcomed in many urban areas and business commuter routes in bangalore. I don't see auto's being replaced completely due to the cost aspect in semi urban and not so well developed neighbourhoods (Just like Volvos).

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+1 on this,

Its not the matter of three wheels or four wheels, its the attitude, shear negligence, uneducated and uncivilized behaviour of the autowallahs that is the issue, replacing the autos with Nanos will be like dressing a contract killer with better clothes and shoes. But will he stop killing no!

Will be just a superficial makeover

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^^ If we really want Auto guys to behave you need to break down their unions which are like Godfathers for them. Forget the Nano, even if there are being given out for free they will still behave like they own the roads because of the unions and brotherhood.

Other factors. Opening car/ Nano doors on public roads if a passenger has to stop. How comfortable is that going to be ? How many passengers are going to check if there are other motorists coming from behind before opening the doors.

Size of the Nano is not equal to the Rickshaw. I see more commotion on the roads more than anything else.
Besides a Nano cannot completely do everything an Auto does. People are still going to opt for the auto for getting into smaller lanes and shortcuts.
I'd be happy to see a private operator using this boon by the Government.
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Banglore and Mumbai Autowallahs are like Mahatma Gandhi in front of their Chennai counterparts. Please feel blessed if u are from Bangalore/Mumbai. Every single Chennai autorickshaw driver is a daylight robber. No Exaggeration! Rs 25 per km is the norm here and these guys do it right under the nose of the govt despite repeated petitions from citizens
Don't classify Mumbai and Bangalore Autowallas as one lot at all!!

-I can still expect that one Rupee back in Mumbai if my fare is 9, 19, 29 and so on and in Bangalore it is always "Change Illa" even if I give 100 for a 85 on a meter!!

-I can hop on into a rick and tell my destination (Mostly) in Mumbai while In Bangalore I have to be at the mercy of his intentions.

-I can still talk on my cellphone or my co-passenger while riding on a rick in Mumbai while its is almost impossible task to do in a Bangalore rick due to the heavily tampered silencers. No way Mumbai Autos are as noisy as Bangalore's. (forget Mumbai, I can do that in Mangalore,Chikmagalur or any other place)

Now the Bangalore autowallas want Rs. 20 as the minimum fare? I wish they are kidding since I know they cant reach a level of maturity with their demands. Every big city has traffic clogging and we cannot hire a rick only because we can guarantee a passenger on return. On how many occasions we T-Bhpians have hired a rick and actually paid the minimal fare of 14 INR?

To me as well, Introduction of Nanos in place of Autos would mean utter chaos and mismanagement, forget that extra space they will need to occupy. Aren't we already tired of ranting on the Yellow board Indicabs and Sumos that rule the days and nights of the city that we should expect some magical and decent behaviour from these "Nano rickshaw" drivers?

I sincerly hope this doesnt happen in any city and let Nanos or any other cars be an alternate mode of travel like Meru (and other cabs) and not completely replace Autos.

Come visit Electronics city and witness how one Auto rides with 6 adults (3+3) including the driver right in front of the Electronics City Police Station or even in front of a cop catching helpless 2-wheelers. No Uniform, No meter, extra passengers than the permit and heavily tampered silencers. You name the offence and they have mastered it and this is happening since more than 5 years now.

Corruption is right here, big time, in huge numbers and in broad daylight in the IT park of the IT city.

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