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Old 8th October 2010, 22:46   #586
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I am a bit surprised, rather miffed, at this observation of Vento diesel in the company of petrol cars. I suppose comparisons of performance should be of engines of petrol or diesel, not between petrol and diesel.
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+1, here we are discussing the Petrol Variants. Not fair to compare the Vento Diesel with Linea Tjet.
1) We all know diesels and petrols are different to drive. Why? because diesels are generally turbocharged and petrols are naturally aspirated. Since Linea Tjet is a turbo charged engine, my guess is the driving experience will not be much different.

2) Today's diesels are much much more refined. VW may not be the best here, but when it is cars like verna, ritz where it is difficult for a casual observer to guess correctly whether it is a diesel or petrol.

3) Reason why Vento and Tjet are compared is that both are good choice for enthusiasts. I believe Vento wins on the powertrain department and Fiat in the Handling part. Both are equally matched.

4) Definately lower running cost of diesel is negeted by the higher asking price. So mot much to choose between if you are dong only 1000 KM / month. Or if you just care for the beast within.

As a matter of fact comparison Vento D vs Linea T will always be valid as I know a lot of people stuck between these 2 including me.

May I ask why do you guys think the comparison is invalid?




And ya this is very well said.
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^^ Hope you deliberately penned the second part of the post to inject some sarcasm. If you really meant it, I might as well call it a day

From a preformance perspective, Diesel Vento and T-Jet Linea can definitely be compared. But customers will also look for the cost of ownership which should be definitely less for the Vento. So for a similar performance ( we don't have the report yet), Vento will win easily.

Though I want Linea T-Jet to succeed because of the fantastic value proposition, am afraid its quite late to ruffle the competitors feathers. Besides the brand name isn't helping. And as many are predicting, enthusiasts would be delighted with this launch :-)

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This is great stuff. Maybe if it were priced closer to 8!

Still, like the fact that Fiat listens to feedback. Good going guys!
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Supercharged? How do they commit such an error?
Actually in engineering terminology the process of forced air induction in an engine is called supercharging, be it by a turbocharger or a supercharger. So technically it is correct.

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Just to counter the the launch of the Tjet, Honda has launched a new variant of ANHC called "Exclusive" with leather seats and a few other goodies. ANHC sales wont be affected for sure but it seems Honda doesnt want to take any chances. Ex Delhi is 9.53L.
Well, well, I had almost half expected this. Nothing new; Honda's doing what it does best. 'Make hay while the sun shines' should be Honda's actual tag line.


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Maybe the design team cudn't get hold of a pic of all 4 disc brakes ... so filled in with the pic of d'd key for the time being
Actually it's got nothing to do with a pic' of a key fob or anything like that! The word 'brakes' is misspelled as 'breaks'. That is what Earthed was referring to.
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GTO waiting for your review! I am sure this will be an exciting car to drive.

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Well, well, I had almost half expected this. Nothing new; Honda's doing what it does best. 'Make hay while the sun shines' should be Honda's actual tag line.
I dont think Honda's that worried about a Tjet or the Tjet is going to increase FIAT sales by much. If you go by the trend, when a car is a dud in a market, releasing a new engine hardly changes the game. Take Optra magnum for instance. ANHC refresh, IMHO would be more towards VW Vento, which in its diesel avatar could be potentially dangerous for Honda (4000+ bookings from what i read last).
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Fiat India committed faux pax by including chrome-tipped exhaust in Linea Emotion and Emotion Pack and denying T-Jet and T-Jet+ of these goodies!
Well seems like the faux pas seems to be only with the information on the website and not really depriving the T-Jet of any features. Chrome Exhaust Tip is mentioned is available on the T-Jet in the Mini Brochure as well as under the section Exciting New Features. It is only marked as not available in the table under the link Feature List, so it may be just a web designer's folly.

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Many here have put firth that honda service is better than Fiat.Well it might be as far as quality is concerned but Honda simply loots customers by forcing them to service their vehicles every 3months or 5k kms which is really not required.My sister drives just 500 kms in 5 months and yet she has to service her vehicle every 5 months or else the warrenty is lost

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I won't compare the raw performance of those two cars until soneone actually test drives those. A lot depends on the gear ratios, aerodynamics, weight and the fact that the petrols inherently rev to higher rpms than diesels. Part of the reason formula1 cars go so fast and sound the way thay do is not because of the insane power they produce (although they do) but because of the insane rpms they reach.
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Linea T-Jet is quite overpriced compared to Vento D. Well, Vento P does not even come into picture with that pathetic powertrain.
At 8.5 L you get a Linea T-Jet and Vento costs 9.1L.
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1) We all know diesels and petrols are different to drive. Why? because diesels are generally turbocharged and petrols are naturally aspirated. Since Linea Tjet is a turbo charged engine, my guess is the driving experience will not be much different.

May I ask why do you guys think the comparison is invalid?
By the same yardstick, Honda city should also be comparable to the Vento D. But a look at their sales chart for the last month is enough to disprove your contention, 6000 sold in the last month where as Vento sold only 1300+.

Since you have put up a comparison anyway, with all due respect, I would like to point out that a few positive points of the T-Jet have been missed which I believe is not intentional?, hence making the comparison skewed.

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I am a bit surprised, rather miffed, at this observation of Vento diesel in the company of petrol cars.
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+1, here we are discussing the Petrol Variants. Not fair to compare the Vento Diesel with Linea Tjet.
@lejhoom,@sharma_sanjeevi: totally agree to you points. There are different set of customers for diesel and petrol. Having said this, of course there will be a few willing to consider both options as well.

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Linea T-jet

cons-interior, vastly improved but vento still has that edge, rear seat space less than a city and again, needs better quality of service and nice trained mechanics to handle this technically complex car. Cannot comment on mileage.
@sid; I would like to add the spare parts cost and service frequency also which is lowest for Linea. Ofcourse the Vento's picture in this regard is still unclear, but coming from the Skoda family, I doubt it will be any cheaper.Also with all due respect, it wouldn't be fair to comment on the service for T-Jet at this point especially since Fiat have announced specialised customer care for T-Jet owners. And regarding rear seat space of T-Jet, it is less than the City but comparable to or more than the Vento. So if the rear space is decent for the Vento as you observed, it should be decent for the Linea as well and should be cited as a pro just as you did for the Vento.

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From a preformance perspective, Diesel Vento and T-Jet Linea can definitely be compared. But customers will also look for the cost of ownership which should be definitely less for the Vento. So for a similar performance ( we don't have the report yet), Vento will win easily.
Any specific reason why you think Vento would be cheaper to maintain? On the contrary, I think Vento maintenance will be costliest, as it is coming from the Skoda stable. This I think would be the same regarding *** attitude also, especially since we have feedback now in the forum itself.

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I dont think Honda's that worried about a Tjet or the Tjet is going to increase FIAT sales by much. If you go by the trend, when a car is a dud in a market, releasing a new engine hardly changes the game.
Definitely the last couple of months sales have been low, may be because of the Vento, but that could be due to other factors as well like the imminent launch of T-Jet. Considering the sales upto this point, I wouldn't call a car which has sold approx 30,000 since launch(< 2 years) a dud.And the numbers sold is not a reliable measure of whether a car is dud or not. Sales depends on a variety of factors including discount offers, brand image, aspirational value etc other than the worthiness of a car.

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Wonderfully specced car. But I see this going the Palio GTX route. Expect fantastic deals in used car markets a year down the line!
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Many here have put firth that honda service is better than Fiat.Well it might be as far as quality is concerned but Honda simply loots customers by forcing them to service their vehicles every 3months or 5k kms which is really not required.My sister drives just 500 kms in 5 months and yet she has to service her vehicle every 5 months or else the warrenty is lost
The service interval is 6 months/5K km. If you are referring to the "free" services, then this is applicable to almost everyone, not just Honda (exception would be VW/Fiat that have a 15K interval). The "free" services have to be done within 6 months or thereabouts. Its a different story with paid services which are left to the owner's discretion.


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Actually in engineering terminology the process of forced air induction in an engine is called supercharging, be it by a turbocharger or a supercharger. So technically it is correct.

Actually it's got nothing to do with a pic' of a key fob or anything like that! The word 'brakes' is misspelled as 'breaks'. That is what Earthed was referring to.
Point noted. However, considering the other errors that are apparent in the catalogue information, using the word 'supercharged' also might have been a faux paus on Fiat's behalf. I'm just speculating here.
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I believe Vento wins on the powertrain department and Fiat in the Handling part. Both are equally matched.
I believe it is too early to comment on this front. As Linea is launched yesterday only & the Experts / Auto Journalist / Auto Magazines reviews are yet to be out.

Lets wait for the actual review of the Tjet. In my view both the cars are excellent in their own respect.

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@lejhoom,@sharma_sanjeevi: totally agree to you points. There are different set of customers for diesel and petrol. Having said this, of course there will be a few willing to consider both options as well.
Live Example of this is in my office, two of my colleagues, who are considering the Vento & the Linea. They want to get the Petrol Variants only, they are very much clear on what they want. Agree, there will be customers who consider both the options. No denying to that fact.

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How much is the price difference between the T-Jet and the T-Jet Plus?
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Was reading the advertisement in Times of India Pune edition today and it clearly says the current prices are introductory prices only.... so expect increase in price soon
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Saw the T-Jet. Doesn't seem like the Linea we know. Interiors are classy & excude a premium feel. The engine seems very refined & sounds great.

About the pricing : I think its very aggressive. The engine is imported, plus the goodies loaded in the car (all D-segment features & more), add to it the fantastic ride, handling, braking, stability, good FE, generous boot space, well priced spares & above all the looks & style! What more does one want?

The area of concern - A$$ is where Fiat definitely has improved over the past few months & is showing signs of further seriousness. Today's centrespread ad in TOI also is great & will turn eyeballs of many people to get Fiat into their consideration set & few of them also eventually buying the car.

I think Tata Motors also realises that this is a car which can give their showrooms a much needed brand lift!

In other markets the Linea competes with Civic, Corolla, Ford Focus etc.
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