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Old 27th November 2005, 22:20   #16
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I'm azuming that the VGT in question, is the same VGT that stands for "Variable Geometry Toroidal". Unless we're talking of "Variable Geometry Turbochargers".
See last para in post 10.
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Old 27th November 2005, 22:32   #17
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See last para in post 10.
Ok, got it. Thanks.

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Old 27th November 2005, 22:33   #18
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Is it VGT ot VTG (Variable turbine geometry)??
Got a couple of links

Diesel Forecast talking about Kia Sorento

BorgWarner link about the VTG
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Old 27th November 2005, 22:36   #19
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Looks like VGT is Hyundai speak for VTG...all their engines with VTG are labelled VGT. Or is VTG Borg's label for what Hyundai calls VGT???

Hell this is confusing!

Shan will you please edit post 1

"2.5 CRDi VGT --SPECS NOT AVAIL.,ENGINE USED ON KIA SORENTO--"

since we now have the specs for the 2.5 litre VGT from mohit's post - its 174 Bhp @ 3800, torque figures still not available.

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I thought it was different, actually - it optimizes boost as opposed to valve timing. Could be wrong since I've only started reading up on these ...
I guess what I meant to say is that they are similar in function. Helps produce more low end torque while also making more hi rpm power. Totally different in the way both work.
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Any news when they'll launch the 1.1 litre CRDI Santro diesel in India? It was originally supposed to be launched in 2005.
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The CRDi range:

Capacity Type Cylinders Max Power (bhp @ rpm) Max Torque (nm@start rpm)

1.5 CRDi 4 87 @ 4000 215@1900~

1.5 CRDi VGT 4 103 @ 4000 235@1900~

2.0 CRDi 4 110 @ 4000 235@1800~

2.0 CRDi VGT 4 125 @ 4000 285@1950~

2.2 CRDi VGT 4 152 @ 4000 35KGNM@2000~

2.5 CRDi 4 140 @ ???? 314@????

2.5 CRDi VGT 174 Bhp @ 3800 Torque - NA

2.9 CRDi 4 165 @ 3800 345@1750~

So there is not a single 5,6 or 8 cyl diesel across hyundai's entire range.

Let alone an ubersexy V6 or V8 diesel.

Tragic !
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Any news when they'll launch the 1.1 litre CRDI Santro diesel in India? It was originally supposed to be launched in 2005.
teh 70bhp one right? think by 2007

@ lurker; ford 1.4 2 68bhp; hyundai 1.5 @ 84bhp

does no. of cylinder mtter? and I guess they are more into passenger cars

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So there is not a single 5,6 or 8 cyl diesel across hyundai's entire range.

Let alone an ubersexy V6 or V8 diesel.

Tragic !
There are V6 petrols. Apart from that the current hyundai VGT diesels offer class leading performance.
Accent crdi is still unmatched, and so it elantra. There is *NO* engine on offer in India today which beats these in their respective classes.
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When hyundai tries to keep up with the Joneses on the design front, here a copy and there a copy then does it reflect well on their engineering capabilities if they don't come up with Jaguar/Superb/Passat/Merc/BMW's V6/V8 diesel. By limiting themselves to a 4 pot engine the diesels will always miss the grunt and torque of the classy oiropean versions.

Also one of the main reasons for the unsexiness of the Hyundai SUV's and top-end passenger-car ranges.
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By limiting themselves to a 4 pot engine the diesels will always miss the grunt and torque of the classy oiropean versions.
Please name the classy european engines in the same category (capacity) with their BHP and Torque outputs, regardless of number of cylinders. Talk is cheap - quote facts.
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V6 and V8 diesels are pre-dominant in the higher end Sedans (Think E / S Class etc.). When Hyundai does not have a car to compete at those levels, why design a V8 diesel engine?

They would much rather focus on the segment where their cars are selling, and in turn the most relevant engines.
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That is exactly the point isn't it !! I am not talking about similar capacity but lack of diesel engines in the higher segments ! Do you want me to quote figures for V6/V8 diesel engines in Jaguar/BMW/Merc etc and compare them to Hyundai's 4 pot versions ??

Sonata copies Jaguar's rear end but does it have the stuff that goes into the front end ??

Jaguar V6, 2,720cc twin-turbo V6 diesel engine: 153kW (206bhp) at 4,000 rpm; 435Nm (320 lb ft) torque at 1,900 rpm. Where is the comparable Hyundai varient ??

Then there is Audi A6, 3.0 ltr, V6, common rail engine. 225 bhp with a useable 331 lb/ft of torque developed at a lowly 1,400rpm. Where is Hyundai varient ??

Mercedes V8 diesel 314 horsepower at 3,600 rpm and 538 pound-feet of torque at 2,200 rpm....

Toyota 4Runner/Land Cruiser/Tundra/Sequoia 4.7 ltr V8 diesel 271/300+ bhp and 313 lb ft of torque.

BMW 7 series 8 cyl diesel engines, 3.9 ltr diesel V8, 258 Bhp, 442 lb ft of torque.

BMW 7 series 8 cyl diesel engine, 4.4 ltr diesel V8, 330 Bhp, 553 lb ft of torque.

etc

Praay where are the hyundai varients ???
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V6 and V8 diesels are pre-dominant in the higher end Sedans (Think E / S Class etc.). When Hyundai does not have a car to compete at those levels, why design a V8 diesel engine?
But...but Hyundai has plenty of SUV's, they can put these V6/V8 wallahs into them All sports and no utility vehicles...no ??
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The CRDi engines in accent n Elantra are AVL products.....
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