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Old 14th October 2010, 18:09   #436
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That's for the M/T, how about the A/T? Kappa1 A/T was 16.xx

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Old 15th October 2010, 08:27   #437
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the ARAI FE figure is 20.83 kmpl !!
20.83 for an A/T

but then they really dont make such things clear in their ad's do they

The dilemma still is that if the FE figures of 20.83 is for kappa2, they what are the FE figures for IRDE2 engines ? The only reason to clarify on this is that the showroom guys position IRDE2 engines with 20.83 figures which i think is not true, nor a good practise to be used for increasing the sales.

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A member who recently bought the face lifted Asta AT reports 10kmpl only.

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A member who recently bought the face lifted Asta AT reports 10kmpl only.

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He has only driven the car for 400 kms!!
IMO the FE should only be calculated after 2000 kms are done with the run in period over.
Also - Its next to impossible trying to touch ARAI FE figures in imperfect conditions of day to day Indian driving.
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He has only driven the car for 400 kms!!
IMO the FE should only be calculated after 2000 kms are done with the run in period over.
Also - Its next to impossible trying to touch ARAI FE figures in imperfect conditions of day to day Indian driving.
Agree that the actual FE will be known only after 5k on the odo. But " Its next to impossible trying to touch ARAI FE figures " is being proved to be true time and again for Hyundai. I have managed an FE of 17.2 kmpl (without A/C) on the highway on a Ritz that had just 2000 km on the odo. The ARAI certified figure is 17.7 kmpl. That's a difference of just 0.5 kmpl, which is very much understandable.

Unfortunately,in the case of Hyundai, the actual FE seems to vary vastly from the ARAI figures even on the highway cycle. The ARAI figure for the previous model was 19.86 kmpl. ARAI certified figure -2 kmpl should be the bare minimum you should be able to achieve on the highway. I am yet to hear about an i10 coming anywhere near that. (no offence meant to Hyundai owners).

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Agree that the actual FE will be known only after 5k on the odo. But " Its next to impossible trying to touch ARAI FE figures " is being proved to be true time and again for Hyundai. I have managed an FE of 17.2 kmpl (without A/C) on the highway on a Ritz that had just 2000 km on the odo. The ARAI certified figure is 17.7 kmpl. That's a difference of just 0.5 kmpl, which is very much understandable.

Unfortunately,in the case of Hyundai, the actual FE seems to vary vastly from the ARAI figures even on the highway cycle. The ARAI figure for the previous model was 19.86 kmpl. ARAI certified figure -2 kmpl should be the bare minimum you should be able to achieve on the highway. I am yet to hear about an i10 coming anywhere near that. (no offence meant to Hyundai owners).
My own i10 did a NH2 run a few months back and returned figures of 19+ kmpl for the highway part!
The FE for that tour varied around 15+ kmpl (including congested cities of Asansol and smaller state highways of Jharkhand)
But my day to day FE varies between 12-13 kmpl for city/highway mixed driving conditions.

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Old 18th October 2010, 00:30   #442
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hey guys !

I have been able to already achieve 12.5 kmpl on the second tank of fuel !
I can feel the engine to be definitely freeing up as i am running in. I think with the kappa2 a city FE of 14 might be a reality !

Another thing i realise is that i really dont need to exceed 3000 rpm. The engine upshifts smoothly at 3K rpm and inspite of 4 people and A/C the engine makes enought torque to pull cleanly from 1800 rpm to 3000 rpm in each gear (even O/D)

i really dont think there is any problem with hyundai FE. If anything i find Hyundai's Engineering finesse top notch and a class ahead of any comparable Maruti ! (maruti Owners no offence)

I do own a Maruti product as well !
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A couple of points on the new i10 though:

1. What is the real value addition and improvement of IRDE2 over IRDE?
Power: Peak 69 against 66.7 earlier @5500
Torque: Peak 10.1 @ 4000 against 2800 earlier

What would be the impact of this on the performance of the car and FE?

2. How will 1.1 IRDE2 compare against 1.2 KAPPA2 VTVT and what will be the points of consideration if anybody would opt for either?
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1. What is the real value addition and improvement of IRDE2 over IRDE?
Power: Peak 69 against 66.7 earlier @5500
Torque: Peak 10.1 @ 4000 against 2800 earlier
Sadly the peak torque and Power figures do not portray the whole picture. What really matters in the real world performance is the spread of the torque. Only a proper drive and comparison of torque and power curves back to back can highlight the changes.

I am attaching 3 imaginary torque curves to show how a car with a lower peak figure might actually perform better in real world.

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^^ This car has a higher peak torque at lower rpm but note lower torque at other rpm.

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^^ This car makes the same peak torque but at higher rpm and more usable spread.

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^^ This car has a lower peak torque but check out the nice linear delivery.

Please note: All these graphs are imaginary. Check out this thread (Torque vs BHP?) to know more about the relation between Torque and BHP.

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Finally I bought new i10 Magna Kappa2.. It pulls smoothly before 3000rpm at lal gears..
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^^ congrats on your Kappa2

What was the OTR ?? Which color ?? Can we have more detailed review and pictures your car pls
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Finally I bought new i10 Magna Kappa2.. It pulls smoothly before 3000rpm at lal gears..
Congrats on your new ride. There have been many complaints about the strange noise that comes from i10/20 around the dash/steering area. Is that problem now fixed in the new i10.
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Guys any idea whether they give Apollo or Bridgestone as stock tyres on the new i10s?
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Now they have Apollo Accelere as Stock on New Gen -i10's. We got the same on our car last month. Even i20 also has got Apollo Accelere.
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And is that good enough, or do i have to change them?
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