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Old 25th September 2010, 18:00   #16
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Scrap has arrived for sale in the scrap market
Looks like Mullick Bazar - is it?
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Old 25th September 2010, 18:13   #17
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Looks like Mullick Bazar - is it?
True its the great Mullick Bazar.The Amby taxis are also being scrapped here by the dozens these days,as the "15 year plus not roadworthy" court ruling has created ripples in the local taxi market.Lots of new Ambys and some Indigos are on the roads as replacements.
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Whatever may be the reason, SCRAPPING OF CARS IN INDIA IS DONE TO EARN PROFIT and nothing else. See in the pics attached for reference, some scarce parts are kept safely and the others are mishandled and sold by weight.

Regarding the engine head and block, the least deserved are chiseled and cut into pieces using chisels and hammers. Then these small pieces are sorted and aluminum, iron, copper, etc are separated and packed into sacks which is then sold by weight to the recyclers. So literally nothing is left of a car when its scrapped.
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The two and four wheelers get old and outdated.Earlier we would keep them for 20-30 years or even more. But thats done very rarely today.
Scrap has arrived for sale in the scrap market
The last journey of the Amby was sad.... and you can see more yellow amby taxis in the background (awaiting the same fate?)...


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Whatever may be the reason, SCRAPPING OF CARS IN INDIA IS DONE TO EARN PROFIT and nothing else.

Regarding the engine head and block, the least deserved are chiseled and cut into pieces using chisels and hammers. Then these small pieces are sorted and aluminum, iron, copper, etc are separated and packed into sacks which is then sold by weight to the recyclers. So literally nothing is left of a car when its scrapped.
Comprehensive picture story there, samsag12! I think your story concurs with HVK's observations....


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That is why India is great - nothing is really wasted.

What do people do with their old vehicles - ask me:
I have owned 4 vehicles since 1986 - the 1986 Ind-Suzuki AX100, 1999 Matiz SE and 2005 Scorpio are still with me.

In my neighbourhood, I find many M800s simply abandoned and parked on the road.
Yes - nothing is wasted.

And, I too have seen abandoned vehicles on the road - which is probably carted away by the police / corporation / municipality after some time...

Either way, there is no 'RUST IN PEACE' for our automobiles!


To come back to the point of old vehicles, like you my friends father still has his Mark II Amby with him since late 70s - still running!



And that is how this thread's idea germinated.

Because my friend, is onto his fourth (or is it his fifth?) car and sixth bike -

Car : M800 (late 90s used one first, new next) --> Wagon R (1999/2000) ---> Ikon (2004/5) ----> Scorpio (2009)

Bike : Lamby (early 70s) -> Vijay Super (80s) --> Ind Suzuki AX100 (early 90s) ---> Suzuki Samurai (late 90s) ----> Fiero (1999/2000) -----> Apache 150 (2005) (He's die-hard TVS fan)

So, while others were reprimanding him - especially pointing out the example his Dad had set!! - I was claiming that this is the natural order of things, and nothing is wasted in our country.

As long as we don't add to the junk and clutter in the city, we should have a system of phasing out road un-worthy vehicles off the road. Not only these vehicles pollute more, they are more in-efficient and waste fuel. Just look at the old lorries / dumpers / auto-ricks running on the road, you'll understand....
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Let's keep aside the really old cars for a moment. About 9-10 years back you could see Zens, Zens and Zens on the road. Similarly, you get to see the new cars available in the market on the roads. But where to did the hordes of Zens and other popular cars of those times disappear? To villages? To other cities? Or got dispersed all over India? Where?

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One more point here. Many old cars especially Marutis find their way to smaller towns from cities since they are sold for cheap and spares are arranged as well.

I have seen first gen Sumos, Tata Estates, Carb Esteems and Zens in tier 2 and 3 towns and villages.
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About 9-10 years back you could see Zens, Zens and Zens on the road. But where to did the hordes of Zens and other popular cars of those times disappear? To villages? To other cities? Or got dispersed all over India? Where?
Hey, you are right - reading your post brought to my mind the number of canary yellow Zens zipping all over the place when it was new. Can't really believe that all of them have disappeared into the scrap market.....
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I totally agree with the fellow bhpians regarding the disappearance of Zens, esteems, M800's (all carb ones due to cheap maintenance). The new trend followed by tier 2 and 3 cities including rural areas is to buy a car declared as scrap (IDV) fit a LPG/CNG cylinder and use it mercilessly till it dies.
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Found one M800, resting in peace after long journey. Almost donated all its parts, only following remains.
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Some cars are lying with there proud owners for years. I have seen some cars in nearby society. There is one Amby, one fiat & one esteem lying there for years now. No body has driven them for years now. All tires are flat & cars are full of dust. I guess people should scrap car immediately if they are not using it anymore. Its a wastage if it is lying at one place for years. One Yezdi was there in my building for years in same condition. But recently scrapped now due to parking space issue
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The new trend followed by tier 2 and 3 cities including rural areas is to buy a car declared as scrap (IDV) fit a LPG/CNG cylinder and use it mercilessly till it dies.
That looks a good recycling effort! And, it also means these cities / towns are developing too.


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I have seen first gen Sumos, Tata Estates, Carb Esteems and Zens in tier 2 and 3 towns and villages.
Looks like Maruti has a winner in Zen and Esteem! And, samsag12 might have an explanation why you see them there.

agbenny, you had me scared - for a while. This (flimsy piece of metal) what I was driving for a good five years!! (no offence to M800 or its owners) - but, it doesn't inspire much confidence in this state, does it?


Any clue what happens to all the oil they drain from the car when it is changed? I have seen only two garages collecting in a 'recycling device' (no idea what the recycling device does) - at most places it just a cut away can in which the oil is allowed to drain. My wild guess is that used engine oil is used as furnace oil.
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1.The B locations/ B Customers in the Tier 1 cities themselves are generally good consumers for these cast-offs /products.
2.Tier 2, Tier 3 and smaller towns and rural areas are also a good market for used cars from the Tier 1 cities. (same with used TV's, Fridges, Washing Machines, White Goods and other Electronics goods.)
3.Old cars in India rarely go the great scrap heap in the sky, they are simply dismantled and sold off piecemeal as parts in the used market.
4. When sold piecemeal as parts the old vehicle fetches a better overall price.
5. In India almost nothing gets consigned to the junk yard per se - we are probably the world's most innovative nation when it comes to re-cycling, re-using and re-jigging things to eke out just that little bit more from it. Our inherent "jugaad" plays a key role in this.
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Any clue what happens to all the oil they drain from the car when it is changed? I have seen only two garages collecting in a 'recycling device' (no idea what the recycling device does) - at most places it just a cut away can in which the oil is allowed to drain. My wild guess is that used engine oil is used as furnace oil.
2 things happen to old oil, actually 4.
1. It is sold for people who own flour mills, lathes etc for their lubrication purposes. Rate at BLR: INR 25.00 per liter.
2. It is sent back to the oil distributors for recycling and purification and then is either used as lubricants or furnace oil. Pig iron plants too buy these oils for their lubrication purposes.
3. It is allowed to flow down the drain and pollute the environment.
4. Spurious oil dealers have a crude method/methods of "purifying" it after which they mix it into new oil, and sell the adulterated oil.
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Once a car clocks more than 1,50,000 - 200,000 kms (irrespective of the number of owners), it will find few takers amongst private buyers. From there on, only commercial users (taxis etc.) looking for a cheap deal are interested. Couple more years of abuse and the car is stripped / scrapped / sold for parts. Can't blame them. Finding parts for a 10 - 15 year old car can get difficult. And 10 - 15 year old cars require a complete body & mechanical overhaul...the cost of which far exceeds its book value.

An interesting related thread : Where have the Cielos, Astras and Escorts disappeared?
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I would echo Devnath on the small town part.

For the record old cars like the 1st gen maruti's or tata's etc. are sold at a good premium in the small towns, simply because the people there mostly cannot afford the current gen new cars. So the second hand market is thriving on these very old cars.

For e.g. a friend of mine was trying to sell his 96 esteem on the Kolkata second hand market. Got quotes of 50K from direct buyers and 30K from dealers. His uncle who stays in a town in north bengal spread the word around and soon a buyer agreed to buy it for 70K.

So my safe guess is that most dealerships (new or second hand) do the same but obviously make a handsome profit.
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