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Old 14th December 2015, 19:02   #241
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The one thing I haven't heard anybody about is interference of all these sensors if and when all cars are equipped with all this stuff. There are these lasers, radar and even ultrasound type of sensors. Wonder what happens if you get a couple of dozen cars on a roundabout? Who is picking up what signal, how to minimise interference etc
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The one thing I haven't heard anybody about is interference of all these sensors if and when all cars are equipped with all this stuff. There are these lasers, radar and even ultrasound type of sensors. Wonder what happens if you get a couple of dozen cars on a roundabout? Who is picking up what signal, how to minimise interference etc
Well, I suppose this will not be an issue - just like we have umpteen TV remotes, Radio control remotes, etc. that control their intended devices/gadgets today (without any interference or issue). Such signals generally carry some sort of digital signature, which is recognized by a particular receiver. By identifying such a signature, the receiver can choose to process or ignore the signal.
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Well, I suppose this will not be an issue - just like we have umpteen TV remotes, Radio control remotes, etc. that control their intended devices/gadgets today (without any interference or issue). Such signals generally carry some sort of digital signature, which is recognized by a particular receiver. By identifying such a signature, the receiver can choose to process or ignore the signal.

You cant really compare, but even with these devices you can have interference issues in your home, sometimes with your neighbor. Its one thing your TV set changing channels unintentionally or your car autonomous driving sensors getting muddles up. For instance, my home phone in India does interfer with my neighbors phone no matter what settings we tried. In the end I brought a different one from the Netherlands that did not have this problem.

If you and your neighbor have the same TV, model and make, you are very likely to be able to use your remote on each other TV. As typically your TV are in separate rooms if not houses/apartments in reality its never an issue. The signals wont reach that far, be it an IR beam, Ultrasound or some RF signal.

But on autonomous cars we have multiple pretty strong emitters as the signal needs to carry many hundreds of meters. By definition there is likely to be some interference, the question is more how effectively can it be addressed. There are no common standards for these sensors as far as Im aware so everybody can do whatever they want, compounding the potential problems.

I would not even know on how to begin building a simulation test model. I guess only a real life test with hundreds of different cars from as may different manufacturers will give some insights.

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Google And Ford Will Reportedly Team Up To Build Self-Driving Cars. Expecting some really cool cars now in the self drive car lane
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Google and Ford are planning to develop and build self-driving vehicles together in a joint venture and will announce the deal at next month’s Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, says a report in Yahoo Autos. The partnership would represent a major collaboration between two of the biggest names in the tech and automotive industries
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Being the first company to strike a deal with Google, however, may give Ford an edge over rivals, including Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo, and Tesla, that are also working on self-driving cars and eager to get them to market. During the last CES in January 2014, Ford chief executive offier Mark Fields said that he believes somebody will introduce autonomous vehicles within the next five years.
The report says the joint venture would legally be considered separate from Ford, which means the automaker would have a buffer against accepting responsibility if any of its self-driving cars were involved in a collision. This has been a sticking point for car companies, since there are currently no regulations in places that are tailored for autonomous vehicles (Volvo, Mercedes-Benz, and Google have each stated, however, that they will accept liability for autonomous vehicle accidents).
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In turn, Google gets a partner to help it handle the expense and hassle of actually manufacturing autonomous vehicles, especially if it plans to make cars available for personal ownership as well as transportation systems. Google co-founder Sergey Brin has said that the company plans to work with “top-tier OEMs” instead of keeping everything in-house and will find partners to build cars.
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Interesting development. I m not so sure how it will play out. Google and Ford are vastly different companies in just about every aspect you can think of. Culture, people, how they attract talent, how they finance, how they innovate etc. Ford wants to sell cars, whereas Google would prefer to provide transportation as a service. Very different business model all together. Different go to market models.

Very often this things look good on paper, especially when parties seem to be complimentary. But getting it to work in practice, for both parties, can be a real pita.

Getting two very different giants to work together has proven difficult at the best of times in the past. Very few of such joint ventures got of the ground quickly, let alone became successful.

Will be interesting to see how this develops.

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Interesting development. I m not so sure how it will play out. Google and Ford are vastly different companies in just about every aspect you can think of. Culture, people, how they attract talent, how they finance, how they innovate etc. Ford wants to sell cars, whereas Google would prefer to provide transportation as a service. Very different business model all together. Different go to market models.
I agree. They are behemoths with different expertise. Hoping that best of the two would come out in this partnership.

On another note - The state of California has set some ground rules for self drive cars. These are:-
1. Self drive cars to have steering wheel and pedals. Google's self drive car does not have these
2. A licensed driver (with an 'autonomous vehicle operator certificate') must be behind the wheel, to take over control if required
3. The drivers of the autonomous cars would be held responsible for any traffic violation or accident (even in autonomous driving mode)

I am not surprised. We will need new/renewed driving rules and regulations, insurance regulations, etc. for self drive cars. This is just the beginning.
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I am not surprised. We will need new/renewed driving rules and regulations, insurance regulations, etc. for self drive cars. This is just the beginning.
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Absolutely. And in many countries that is going to take decades!

Interesting to note is that California has always been at the forefront in developping and adjusting their local State laws. Of course, what with Google and Silicon Valley present. But still, this is one State that understands how important it is to continuously develop legislation and adjust it based on technology advancements. If anything that has kept most of the R&D on autonomous cars in California.

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Google computers qualify as drivers in automated cars, US government says
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Google has managed to persuade the US government that the tech company’s computers – rather than humans – should be defined as the “drivers” of a growing fleet of autonomous vehicles.
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Old 26th February 2016, 06:52   #249
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I always suspected that contrary to what many think, the self driven vehicle concept is going to be a success in countries like India where the term "driving pleasure" is like an oxymoron for the majority.

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechc...ntent=20160225

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Last year, Ford asked people if they could imagine themselves buying or riding in a self-driving vehicle.

Out of the eight countries surveyed, India and China had the highest positive answers at 84 percent and 78 percent, respectively, compared to the U.S. and U.K. at 40 percent and 30 percent, respectively,*the study found.
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As much as I love cars, there's no denying that self driving cars are here to stay. Maybe in 15 years?

Look at the bright side, enthusiasts like us will get more civilized environments to drive in. No lane cutting, rash driving, drunken drivers, wrong side driving, etc to encounter.

Self driving cars are likely to see a faster adoption in India than was the case with automatic cars--especially in the metros. It will put a lot of the paid drivers out of their jobs though.
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Self-driven cars – a good concept and something that will gradually come and with some hiccups gets accepted but it will take decades for it to become mainstream/have substantial presence.

Initially it will be a social status car guessing with the price & resultant maintenance it will have and also the novelty factor. Heck we are just about now having enough automated options for mass market and that still is taking time to go mainstream though the progress is at good speed.

Process and Laws and Roads – while google maps takes us exactly where we need too but within cities it still sometimes don’t know one-ways or the last moment changes to roads due to festival, VIP visits etc. it will take some time to get this adopted

The motor and road laws will take time to get this done and just wondering whom do they fine when two self-driven car collides

As individuals we are getting paranoid about privacy and social profiles getting hacked and the cases are one too many. Think of what it can do to safety or how it can contribute in an attempted bank robbery. A bit hyper thinking but none the less

None the less, it’s a great vision and something to look up to. Look forward to the day when I book an Uber and I get a self driven car
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Seems there was a minor accident related to Google self driving car -
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According to the report, Google's car intended to turn right off a major boulevard when it detected sandbags around a storm drain at the intersection
The right lane was wide enough to let some cars turn and others go straight, but the Lexus needed to slide to its left within the right lane to get around the obstruction.
The Lexus was going 2 mph (3 kph) when it made the move and its left front struck the right side of the bus, which was going straight at 15 mph (24 kph).
The car's test driver -- who under state law must be in the front seat to grab the wheel when needed -- thought the bus would yield and did not have control before the collision, Google said.
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We’re announcing our intent to have fully autonomous vehicles in commercial operation for a ride-hailing or ride-sharing service beginning in 2021. This is significant. Ford will be mass producing vehicles capable of driving fully autonomously within five years. No steering wheel. No gas pedals. No brake pedals. A driver will not be required.
https://shift.newco.co/fords-road-to...330#.a672b6326
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Uber to start operating their fleet of self driving cars soon. Customers not to have to pay for the ride initially!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/featur...month-is06r7on

Meanwhile, self driving bus is roaming on streets of Helsinki
http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/18/tech...sinki-finland/

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