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Old 9th November 2015, 11:59   #451
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How do you guys decide the feedback being good or bad ? I have a Brio and recently got Jetta. The only difference I feel is that steering of Jetta requires more effort while the Brio is effortless. I don't understand the concept of feedback, how it is judged.
Simple. Try both your cars on a twisty piece of tarmac at similar speeds and decide which one gives you more confidence during the turns. On a highway you can monitor the number of steering corrections you need to do to keep the car in a straight line.
In the city the Brio will be effortless because the EPS calibration is made for city use and speeds. Because the calibration is light, it will suffer on the highway and twisties as the steering will feel vague and detached from the wheels. The Jetta on the other hand will be more cumbersome to drive in the city because the steering feels heavy. Again, the EPS is calibrated that way but will excel at speeds giving you a direct feel of the road underneath. It goes where you point it to go.
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How do you guys decide the feedback being good or bad ? I have a Brio and recently got Jetta. The only difference I feel is that steering of Jetta requires more effort while the Brio is effortless. I don't understand the concept of feedback, how it is judged.
Its one of the senses that contribute to the feel/joys of driving. Feedback would include the feeling/weight of the wheel at 'dead centre' position while driving at speed and the amount of firmness/resistance felt while turning corners and twists. The immediacy of response is also a defining feature, like a car changing direction "almost telepathically" to quote the most overused automotive journalism cliche.

Enthusiasts normally do not prefer overly assisted wheels as they numb some feedback which is why the whole EPS vs Hydraulic debate rages on, but some premium and expensive manufacturers manage a great haptic feedback with EPS units as well.

Additionally, its also the feeling you feel through your hands while negotiating road imperfections as it helps you gauge and measure your input in a given situation.
Its a crucial sensation of driving telling you how much you can push your machine in a corner and when to back off based on whether your car under/oversteers.

The best of both worlds would be a steering that is like a Mercedes in a basement parking or a crowded street and a Porsche on the open road

Experts can chime in and correct me if i am wrong.

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Definitely the Civic followed by the Palio for me (Hydraulic Steerings)

Civic gave me the exact sense of everything on the road, though my friends complained of hard steering at low speed, I preferred it that way!!!
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Skoda Laura is my nomination. The steering is so direct that you feel connected and that's what it's all about.
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The original Maruti Swift, The linea T Jet and the Honda Civic - in that order for the best

The Tata Indica for the worst that i have driven.

A confusing middle was the optra magnum. I could never get a good grip on the vehicle. It had everything a car should have - in isolation - but would never add together on the road for me.
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I think the Linea Tjet, Honda Civic, Skoda Octavia(new one) come under the best feedbacks I have seen lately.

Average: Maruti Suzuki Ertiga, Hyundai Creta, Ford Ecosport

Worst: Hyundai i10, Hyundai Santro Xing
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The best I've experienced would be Maruti Suzuki Esteem (without power steering) and Ford Fiesta (Classic). The worst is Hyundai Eon and Santro :P
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Best HPS - S2k, E90 3 series, E46 3 series, Fiesta 1.6S, Ikon rocam, Palio S10/GTX, Cedia, Forester, Civic, Octavia vrs Mk1, Zen carb

Best EPS - New Fiesta, 1st gen Swift, Kizashi, F30 3 series

Good - Laura, Jetta, Fabia, Outlander, Baleno, Corsa

Not Bad - S-Cross, new Baleno, Getz, 1st Gen SX4, Fluence

Bad - Optra Magnum, Cruze, WagonR, Elantra, Aveo, Corolla, Etios

Worst (dead) - Xcent, i10, Creta, Verna, i20, Santro

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Linea T-Jet, Ford (Figo -- not the EAS/EPS one, Classic) remain the top two for me. Ford has gone the wrong way now. I normally drive with one hand, except for negotiating curves/bends.

I simply don't like video-game-like steering at all. Can't stand them for even 10 km of drive within city, forget about driving on highways. M800 on highway, with no PS, feels far better than that.
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Worst: Hyundai i10, Hyundai Santro Xing
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The worst is Hyundai Eon and Santro :P
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Worst (dead) - Xcent, i10, Creta, Verna, i20, Santro
Extremely sorry to differ here but, i didn't find steering of santro to be that sort of worst or dead (using santro from past 8 years), instead it has got better hyraulic steering which has good precision.

Also driving an elite i20 from past 6 months, yes it surely feels disconnected as the steering has got very fast tendency for coming to center position.
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Extremely sorry to differ here but, i didn't find steering of santro to be that sort of worst or dead (using santro from past 8 years), instead it has got better hyraulic steering which has good precision.

Also driving an elite i20 from past 6 months, yes it surely feels disconnected as the steering has got very fast tendency for coming to center position.
Agreed! Santro's hydraulic steering is quite precise and very Un-Hyundai like. The i10 that came after the Santro has one of the worst steering feel that I have experienced. It is so artificial that I can't tell whether the wheels are pointing straight or are turned to a bit when parking the car. BTW I own both cars currently.

Actually the same applies to the suspension also. The i10 has extremely poor dynamics when compared to the Santro which had very predictable and tight road manners. Wonder how Hyundai went from Santro to i10 in these aspects. Don't fix something that's ain't broken!
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From all the cars I have driven till date: (in no order)

Best:- Astar, (yes it can put some higher segment cars to shame with its handling and steering feedback), M800, Honda Civic, Swift, old fiesta.

Moderate: Punto (felt it to be slightly on the heavier side), Linea, SX4, Santro

Worst: Liva, my 2014 Verna, i10, i20, Logan, Indica


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