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Old 5th April 2010, 10:10   #106
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worst driving feel : Maruti Estiloo.

best driving feel: Skoda Octavia. Feels true even on speeds upto 150 kmph.

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Old 5th April 2010, 10:17   #107
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The only cars I have ever driven are the Dolphin, Alto and the 800. They all seemed pretty OK to me!

I fail to see what all the fuss is about, on regular roads any way!
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The only cars I have ever driven are the Dolphin, Alto and the 800. They all seemed pretty OK to me!
I too have similar experience. I have driven Fiat, 800 and Alto extensively. I have driven sister's i10 and Verna for about 2000 kms.

i10 steering is extra smooth and definitely feels disconnected. Initially I thought lighter the steering its better. Now I realize thats its not good.

Verna too not impressive at all..

Waiting to drive the new Fiat cars and Ford cars on highway.

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I fail to see what all the fuss is about, on regular roads any way!
Just drive the eurpoean cars. You will know the difference instantly
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Just drive the eurpoean cars. You will know the difference instantly
+1. This thread has reduced the confusion for my next car. Will surely not buy the H car from now until they get better.

It surely going to be Ford or Fiat.
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Just drive the eurpoean cars. You will know the difference instantly
LOL! Has anyone driven the Alto LX (without PS)? How does it feel? Moreover, is not the PS supposed to disengage after a particular speed in all cars to improve the feed back? Does it actually happen and are we able to feel when it happens?
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+1. This thread has reduced the confusion for my next car. Will surely not buy the H car from now until they get better.

It surely going to be Ford or Fiat.
Looks like eventually EPS is going to become a norm. New BMW 5 series has 'electro-mechanical' system, which according to ACI report, lacks feedback. Somewhere I was reading that new Ford Focus is going to have EPS as well.
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Looks like eventually EPS is going to become a norm. New BMW 5 series has 'electro-mechanical' system, which according to ACI report, lacks feedback. Somewhere I was reading that new Ford Focus is going to have EPS as well.
Am not really sure if we are drifting off topic but I thought this doubt of mine can be brought in here.

If HPS is effective and loved by all why would manufacturers concentrate on EPS? Is cost coming into play or new technology? I don't see how EPS can be the new technology if it is not improving the driving.
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Am not really sure if we are drifting off topic but I thought this doubt of mine can be brought in here.

If HPS is effective and loved by all why would manufacturers concentrate on EPS? Is cost coming into play or new technology? I don't see how EPS can be the new technology if it is not improving the driving.
Cost is one part of the puzzle.

EPS being 'very light' is the other part. The general public prefers it that way for city driving it seems.

HPS would need some effort to be put at slow speeds.
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If HPS is effective and loved by all why would manufacturers concentrate on EPS? Is cost coming into play or new technology? I don't see how EPS can be the new technology if it is not improving the driving
Electric power steering improves the fuel efficiency of the car (not sure by what percentage). Also, EPS has less moving/wear & tear parts when compared to Hydraulic Power Steering - so logically, EPS will be more reliable.
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Electric power steering improves the fuel efficiency of the car (not sure by what percentage)
How? Whats the physics behind it? Any links?

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Also, EPS has less moving/wear & tear parts when compared to Hydraulic Power Steering - so logically, EPS will be more reliable.
This could be a simple and sound reason for the drift towards EPS.
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I had read about the link between fuel efficiency and the adoption of electric power steering in magazine reviews of cars. For eg: the Autocar India review of the latest BMW 5 series.

After doing a Google search, I found this -
ELECTRIC POWER STEERING IMPROVES PRODUCT LINEUP | Ford Motor Company Newsroom

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Ford Motor Company has made a commitment to fit 80 to 90 percent of its Ford, Lincoln and Mercury products with electric power steering (EPS) systems by 2012, improving the overall fuel economy, performance and reliability of the company's lineup
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Thanks for the link.

The following extract explains it all.

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In contrast, EPS systems do not require engine power to operate and draw electric power only as needed, improving efficiency and extending component life; are reasonably compact and offer some weight savings, equating to packaging flexibility and easier vehicle assembly; are quiet since there is no need for an engine-mounted pump; and eliminates the need for hydraulic fluid in the first place. In addition, EPS systems represent a CO2 emissions savings of approximately 3.5 percent since they operate on demand.
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My take :

Using Maruti Swift Dzire for last 8 months now. Its the best steering wheel i will say. Very light to drive in City. Good on highways as well.

Worst i have experienced is Sumo which we owned long back. It didn't have power steering. BUT IT USED TO REQUIRE A REAL POWER TO TURN IT, SPECIALLY WHILE TAKING U TURN OR WHEN VEHICLE IS AT IDLE
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From the cars I have driven - The iKon has the best steering feel of all. Super feedback from the steering.
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