Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > The Indian Car Scene


Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 31st December 2011, 01:17   #1351
BHPian
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Hyderabad
Posts: 38
Thanked: 12 Times
Default Re: Tata Merlin - Safari replacement? *UPDATE* Uncovered Pics on Pg 90

Quote:
Originally Posted by kaks15 View Post
...IMHO the new product would not have a giant gap with existing prices, which is good.

Or am I over-analyzing it
I think you have a very valid point there and price could very well be a game changer for Tata. I'm not sure if Tata could afford another lost opportunity in this high stakes game. I firmly believe a marginal (< 5%) OR zero precent price revision.
KameshR is offline  
Old 31st December 2011, 06:42   #1352
Distinguished - BHPian
 
condor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Speed-brkr City
Posts: 10,750
Thanked: 4,340 Times
Default Re: Tata Merlin - Safari replacement? *UPDATE* Uncovered Pics on Pg 90

Quote:
Originally Posted by sarcar View Post
Hmmm.. what is that Innova doing at a Safari ad shoot .
Would belong to the ad agency that is shooting the ad.
condor is online now  
Old 31st December 2011, 11:58   #1353
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 3,652
Thanked: 244 Times
Default Re: Tata Merlin - Safari replacement? *UPDATE* Uncovered Pics on Pg 90

Quote:
Originally Posted by condor View Post
From what my SA's told me, the GB-76 is a family of GB's, and not a unique "model". Even my Sumo has the GB-76, like the older Safari's. But - the gearing is different. There are different GB-76 units used at diff times/in diff models.

My guess at this time is that the lever is shorter than before - as seen from the pics from the ad shoot. The Test vehicles showed a longer lever, but the ones in the ad shoot are newer & closer to production models than the test vehicles.

Let's wait for better pics. We will know soon.
Its a 76a Gearbox as in the Aria, its an Upgraded version.

Last edited by dadu : 31st December 2011 at 12:10.
dadu is offline  
Old 31st December 2011, 12:03   #1354
Senior - BHPian
 
jaysmokesleaves's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Mostly Mumbai
Posts: 1,676
Thanked: 1,159 Times
Default Re: Tata Merlin - Safari replacement? *UPDATE* Uncovered Pics on Pg 90

Quote:
Originally Posted by dadu View Post
Its a 76a Gearbox as in the Aria, its an Upgraded version.
Does this mean we lose the low ratio 4x4 as in the current Safari ?
jaysmokesleaves is offline  
Old 31st December 2011, 12:14   #1355
AVR
BHPian
 
AVR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Ahmedabad
Posts: 930
Thanked: 511 Times
Default Re: Tata Merlin - Safari replacement? *UPDATE* Uncovered Pics on Pg 90

^^^
I hope it retains the low ratio. Its one of the key reasons why I'd buy it. Of course i'll never be able to like the rear but the front and better interiors is good enough reason.
Was at the dealer last week and they mentioned that it would be launched at the expo but bookings would start in May or June which is rather late.
Also an increase in power and torque to fortuner levels would be a great selling point!
AVR is offline  
Old 31st December 2011, 17:02   #1356
BHPian
 
rrsteer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: 144022
Posts: 940
Thanked: 893 Times
Default Re: Tata Merlin - Safari replacement? *UPDATE* Uncovered Pics on Pg 90

I don't have a problem with the looks.

A vehicle should not insult my sense of aesthetics, otherwise I am a firm believer in function over form. I much prefer the underbody arrangement of the extra tyre proposed in the new Safari over the existing design. Its just more practical and as a Safari owner I'd say that the so called jeep or macho looking arrangement of the tyre was a nuisance!

The virtues of the Safari were more than its looks. If they are retained ( which in all probability, seems to be the case) and the vices of the car have been ironed out (which is essentially what I am hoping for in this new release) and the prices are not disturbed, I think most people should have little to complain about the vehicle.
rrsteer is offline  
Old 31st December 2011, 19:01   #1357
BHPian
 
wanderer4x4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Guwahati
Posts: 308
Thanked: 388 Times
Default Re: Tata Merlin - Safari replacement? *UPDATE* Uncovered Pics on Pg 90

I also like the looks of the new "Safari". It looks mature and subtle with nice tweaks and touches. And I think it'll be similar to the existing proportions contrary to some people who think the bonnet might be low slung or at a lower height than the existing one. Only a in person look will confirm the dimensions, pics can be deceptive.

Last edited by wanderer4x4 : 31st December 2011 at 19:02.
wanderer4x4 is offline  
Old 31st December 2011, 22:37   #1358
Senior - BHPian
 
1100D's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Calcutta
Posts: 4,179
Thanked: 2,360 Times
Default Re: Tata Merlin - Safari replacement? *UPDATE* Uncovered Pics on Pg 90

Wonder if the marked portion is part of the Chassis. If it is, its too low. As it is the picture has been taken from eye level, and this bit is visible from a distance. Or they will put in some Xenon type fiber guard.

Tata Merlin - Safari replacement? *UPDATE* Uncovered Pics on Pg 90-merlin-magarpatta-city-pune.jpg
1100D is offline  
Old 1st January 2012, 07:02   #1359
Distinguished - BHPian
 
condor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Speed-brkr City
Posts: 10,750
Thanked: 4,340 Times
Default Re: Tata Merlin - Safari replacement? *UPDATE* Uncovered Pics on Pg 90

At a outline/summary level, the front end of this new Safari and the Sumo Grande are looking similar to me. Esp the bumper (see the outline, but do give allowance for the individual areas of the bumper) - and to some extent the outline of the bumper + grille + headlights.
condor is online now  
Old 1st January 2012, 10:27   #1360
Senior - BHPian
 
comfortablynumb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Pune
Posts: 1,296
Thanked: 897 Times
Default Re: Tata Merlin - Safari replacement? *UPDATE* Uncovered Pics on Pg 90

Is the grill similar to the exisiting 2.2 DICOR, i.e. just 3 horizontal lines with the T in the centre of the middle line, or a mesh type? At least I can't make out clearly from these pics!

Cheers,
Vikram

Last edited by comfortablynumb : 1st January 2012 at 10:35.
comfortablynumb is offline  
Old 1st January 2012, 11:01   #1361
Senior - BHPian
 
MaserQ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 1,156
Thanked: 51 Times
Default Re: Tata Merlin - Safari replacement? *UPDATE* Uncovered Pics on Pg 90

The LR face surgery has given the Safari a proper mid-life makeover. While the front end looks smart, the rear treatment does not gel with the huge green house. Also missing is the squat-look roof of the LR range. The grille does make the Safari look wider than it is but that does not hide the fact that it is still a few inches too tall.
MaserQ is offline  
Old 1st January 2012, 13:21   #1362
Senior - BHPian
 
architect's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Ghaziabad, U. P
Posts: 1,275
Thanked: 448 Times
Default Re: Tata Merlin - Safari replacement? *UPDATE* Uncovered Pics on Pg 90

Quote:
Originally Posted by MaserQ View Post
The grille does make the Safari look wider than it is but that does not hide the fact that it is still a few inches too tall.
It is a few inches too tall to look good, but that's what makes it so comfortable and spacious. Just look at the Endeavour: that squat look makes it look so well proportioned, but it just kills interior comfort.
architect is offline  
Old 1st January 2012, 23:18   #1363
BHPian
 
Raxx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: chennai
Posts: 56
Thanked: 2 Times
Default Re: Tata Merlin - Safari replacement? *UPDATE* Uncovered Pics on Pg 90

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1100D View Post
Wonder if the marked portion is part of the Chassis. If it is, its too low. As it is the picture has been taken from eye level, and this bit is visible from a distance. Or they will put in some Xenon type fiber guard.

Attachment 862480
It is not part of the chassis. It's a clamp runs under the chassis to hold the camera rig. You can see the camera rig behind the car.
Raxx is offline  
Old 1st January 2012, 23:51   #1364
Distinguished - BHPian
 
swiftnfurious's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Chennai
Posts: 6,449
Thanked: 6,438 Times
Default Re: Tata Merlin - Safari replacement? *UPDATE* Uncovered Pics on Pg 90

I have been thinking how TATA will position this car. Possible options

1. Current Safari exists at entry level; top variants belong to Merlin.
2. Phase out current model, replace with Merlin - variant to variant.
3. Current Safari exists in the same variants; Merlin also gets similar variants, both the base variants have the same price [variant to variant co-existence, at similar price points].

For those who thinks why would both models co-exist -

1. Current safari retain looks, chassis & 4WD.
2. Merlin with improved chassis but loses on 4WD. Exists only in 2WD form.

Now this would target two different groups - those who want the 4WD & current looks, Merlin for those who want quality & better handling.

This may defy automotive marketing logic, just my thoughts. I really don't find any other ways how they can manage some killer pricing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by KameshR View Post
I firmly believe a marginal (< 5%) OR zero precent price revision.
I feel they should revise & lower their prices. With XUV around, TATA doesn't really stand much to gain with current price / kit. If they don't bother much about sales, then...

Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysmokesleaves View Post
Does this mean we lose the low ratio 4x4 as in the current Safari ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by AVR View Post
^^^I hope it retains the low ratio.
Some one who was associated with product development mentioned some pages back that the low ratios may not make into the Merlin on account of improved handling.

I still can't make out what are they doing for the last 2 years or so - we have seen the production prototype [hopefully] and still no launch for the next 6 months??

Last edited by swiftnfurious : 1st January 2012 at 23:53.
swiftnfurious is offline  
Old 2nd January 2012, 01:36   #1365
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Aberdeen, UK
Posts: 1,174
Thanked: 958 Times
Default Re: Tata Merlin - Safari replacement? *UPDATE* Uncovered Pics on Pg 90

With the XUV prices going northbound it creates more breathing space for Tata. The Aria mistake must be avoided, a base variant with competitive pricing must be available from day 1. Its well and good loading up the car with features and optional extras but it will be difficult to recover once an opinion of being overpriced is made.
shortbread is offline  
Closed Thread


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Toyota Fortuner Facelift Spied! *UPDATE* Uncovered pics on Pg.6 aravind.anand The Indian Car Scene 361 21st December 2011 10:58
New Audi A8 uncovered sidindica The International Automotive Scene 25 25th November 2009 14:17
Uncovered: Audi A7 5 door coupe sidindica The International Automotive Scene 3 21st November 2009 22:49
[pics] 20-year old Corvette uncovered with 3300 miles on it Vert1go The International Automotive Scene 78 11th June 2009 08:13
Renault Megane III Caught Fully Uncovered aaggoswami The International Automotive Scene 13 11th September 2008 18:12


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 08:52.

Copyright 2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks