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Old 30th December 2010, 00:32   #46
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Even though Nissan have good cars, i have never really liked their design's Their designs are always, like..., you see the front and you start liking it, and you start walking around, and suddenly the back looks like it's back is out of proportion, like it was picked from another car. It's like in their cars, you either like the front portion or the back portion.
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Looked at this right after reading GTO's ETIOS review. Couldn't help but compare the two as they fall in same segment.

Look wise, IMO, it is ages ahead of ETIOS - both interior and exterior. And trust me, it really matters in the entry level sedan segment. What it does not have is the toyota badge and reputation, but being a true blue Japanese car should help a little. This segment is really hotting up
Looks definately better than the Etios and the Dezire. Lets wait and whatch what the final package is delivered

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Even though Nissan have good cars, i have never really liked their design's Their designs are always, like..., you see the front and you start liking it, and you start walking around, and suddenly the back looks like it's back is out of proportion, like it was picked from another car. It's like in their cars, you either like the front portion or the back portion.
The designs are actually not what you would expect in this age and time, but under the hood the vehicles are really refined and out perform the tasks they were made for [Remember the Nissan P60 (Jonga) and Carrier (1 ton) ]

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Happened to read an article in our Malayalam Auto magazine that nissan would bring in the sunny in the etios segment under a tag of 5 lakhs..!!

Unless they are planning to fix a boot on the micra hatch and keep the same engine IMPOSSIBLE...!!

From the looks of the car, i guess it'd be aiming the verna, fiesta, vento market..!!
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Happened to read an article in our Malayalam Auto magazine that nissan would bring in the sunny in the etios segment under a tag of 5 lakhs..!!

Unless they are planning to fix a boot on the micra hatch and keep the same engine IMPOSSIBLE...!!

From the looks of the car, i guess it'd be aiming the verna, fiesta, vento market..!!
Sunny in Etios range, Impossible. I have driven the original Sunny it is more likely to be in the Vento / ANHC segment if not Corolla and likes.
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Sunny would probably be positioned in the C segment, making the competition hotter.

The Sunny is produced for the chinese market by the Dongfeng Motor Company, which is a JV with Nissan established in 2003.This JV also produces Nissan Bluebird, Nissan Teana, and Nissan Tiida for sale in China.
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Default Nissan Global Sedan Unveiled at the New York Auto Show (as Versa) for US market

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Important Points to take notice of
  • A $10,990 starting M.S.R.P. and low cost of ownership; Innovation Within Reach.
  • Expected combined city/highway fuel economy of 33 miles per gallon. New global "V" (for Versatile) platform. Sophisticated styling, high quality interior.
  • It also offers an unexpected level of available entertainment and connectivity features, such as Bluetooth®, navigation system with 5-inch touch-screen display, Satellite Radio and an iPod®/USB interface
  • Versa Sedan has, for example, more rear legroom than some mid-size sedans – trumping even luxury cars such as the Lexus LS460, BMW 5-series and Mercedes-Benz E-Class
  • Two interior colors are available, Sandstone and Charcoal
  • The front end blends smoothly into the cabin, which offers flowing curves, while design elements such as the shape of the trunklid help give the new Versa Sedan excellent aerodynamics, including a low coefficient of drag of just 0.31
  • The 2012 Versa Sedan is offered in eight exterior colors, including Metallic Blue, Blue Onyx, Super Black, Brilliant Silver, Magnetic Gray, Red Brick, Fresh Powder and Titanium – which has previously been reserved for the Nissan GT-R among Nissan models
  • The 2012 Versa Sedan's all-new front-wheel drive global "V" platform, designated "V" for Versatile, utilizes nearly 20 percent fewer platform components and weighs around 150 pounds less than the previous "B" platform
  • The second-generation 1.6-liter HR16DE 4-cylinder engine includes a range of cutting-edge technologies - the new Versa Sedan engine is equipped with two streamlined injectors mounted near the inlet valve for each cylinder. This dual injector system allows a wider injection of fuel, with the smaller nozzles delivering a finer spray (approximately 57 percent finer than the previous generation single injector design's particle size) to help achieve stable combustion
  • Other enhancements include the addition of a piston oiling jet, tuning of the piston top shape and expansion of the exhaust manifold diameter
  • The new 1.6-liter engine is rated at 109 horsepower @ 6,000 rpm and 107 lb-ft of torque @ 4,400 rpm
  • Versa also offers low rolling resistance P185/65R15 all-season tires with available 15-inch aluminum-alloy wheels
  • Fuel economy for the 2012 Versa Sedan is estimated at 30 mpg City, 37 mpg Highway and 33 mpg Combined with the CVT transmission (27/36/30 mpg with the 5-speed manual transmission) (preliminary estimates).
Official Press Release

2012 Nissan Versa Sedan – The "Big Small Car" Brings Innovation Within Reach

– Offers Mid-Size Vehicle Technology Without Mid-Size Price; High Value, High MPG and Exceptional Roominess Highlight Sophisticated All-New Sedan Design – Small on the outside, big on the inside. Smart technology with next-generation efficiency. A $10,990 starting M.S.R.P. and low cost of ownership. New dual injector system and sub-planetary CVT design. Expected combined city/highway fuel economy of 33 miles per gallon. New global "V" (for Versatile) platform. Sophisticated styling, high quality interior.

There are myriad ways the all-new 2012 Nissan Versa Sedan breaks new ground for entry-level compact sedans. And many ways to sum them all up. But perhaps a simple statement is best: Innovation Within Reach.

"Compact cars are getting a lot of attention lately due to rising fuel costs and concerns about the environment. Yet many buyers are disappointed in what they find – vehicles rife with compromise," says Al Castignetti, vice president and general manager, Nissan Division, Nissan North America, Inc. "This new Versa Sedan, a 'clean sheet' ground-up design, takes small cars in a whole new direction – proving that you don't have to sacrifice style for affordability, interior roominess for a smaller footprint, or drivability for high mpg."

Small When You Need It, Big Where You Want It

Knowing that entry-level vehicles are used as "workhorses" – for commuting on weekdays, errand running on weekends and transporting family and friends all week long – the designers of the new Versa Sedan sought to combine five-passenger practicality with a high degree of comfort and refinement. It also offers an unexpected level of available entertainment and connectivity features, such as Bluetooth®, navigation system with 5-inch touch-screen display, Satellite Radio and an iPod®/USB interface.

"We see buyers in this segment as people who are always busy, even while relaxing," explains Castignetti. "With the amount of time they typically spend in their vehicles, we want to make sure they feel good about their purchase long after the new car smell has worn off. So we invested in areas that they see and touch most – like available Fine Vision instrumentation, quality fabrics, bright trim work and comfortable seating for front and rear seat passengers."

The new Versa Sedan's interior volume of 90.0 cubic feet and trunk volume of 14.8 cubic feet (104.8 cubic feet total) are intended to not only look great on a specifications sheet – the passenger and cargo spaces have been configured for real-world use. Versa Sedan has, for example, more rear legroom than some mid-size sedans – trumping even luxury cars such as the Lexus LS460, BMW 5-series and Mercedes-Benz E-Class. And the trunk design focuses on useable space, taking into consideration everything from the size of the hinges to the shape of the sidewalls. A 60/40-split fold-down rear seat is offered on SL models for even greater versatility.

Other available interior features include trip computer, power windows with driver's one-touch down, speed-sensing auto door locks, remote trunk release lever and steering wheel-mounted audio controls. Two interior colors are available, Sandstone and Charcoal.

The Versa Sedan's new exterior design is also a departure from most current compact sedans, offering a fresh, refreshing design character that is both sophisticated and highly aerodynamic.

"The new Versa Sedan stands out as the only expensive looking car in the segment – with a lot of eye power," said Castignetti. "Its sculpted, dynamic proportions are modern without being gimmicky, projecting a much higher sense of design value than you might expect in a vehicle with a $10,990 starting M.S.R.P."

To achieve the new Versa Sedan's upscale look, the designers gave the exterior shape a strong sense of volume, with a wide shoulder width and a smooth silhouette. In front, Versa Sedan features Nissan's new signature sedan grille design and jewel-like headlights.

The front end blends smoothly into the cabin, which offers flowing curves, while design elements such as the shape of the trunklid help give the new Versa Sedan excellent aerodynamics, including a low coefficient of drag of just 0.31.

In addition, to help ensure superb functionality, fresh ideas were addressed in the initial stage between the designers and the engineering team. For example, the indented line in the middle of the Versa Sedan's sweeping roofline is not just a design feature, but a functional innovation that helps reduce the amplitude of the roof panel vibrations in order to create a quieter cabin interior without the use of reinforcement devices called "mass bumpers."

"Design and engineering came together in an extraordinary collaboration to create a level of sophistication that you not only see but also feel," adds Castignetti. "It helps provide a sense of 'modern value' that goes far beyond the mere purchase price, much like you expect from larger, more expensive sedans."

Other exterior features include a fixed roof antenna, body-color front and rear fascias and available chrome-accented grille, blacked-out B-pillar, chrome door handles and front fog lights.

The 2012 Versa Sedan is offered in eight exterior colors, including Metallic Blue, Blue Onyx, Super Black, Brilliant Silver, Magnetic Gray, Red Brick, Fresh Powder and Titanium – which has previously been reserved for the Nissan GT-R among Nissan models.

Next-Generation Efficiency and an All-New V Platform

One of the biggest challenges in designing a compact sedan, of course, is where to put everything – people, cargo, engine, transmission and other mechanical components. Often the solution is to gather a fraction of an inch here, a fraction there and hope they add up to a usable benefit. For the new Versa Sedan, the approach was a little more radical – create a totally new global platform and drivetrain, reducing the size of engine and transmission, reducing the number of component parts and reducing platform weight.

"It's unusual to develop a totally new platform for a vehicle in only its second generation, yet when driven by a culture of innovation, such investments are easy to make," explains Castignetti.

The 2012 Versa Sedan's all-new front-wheel drive global "V" platform, designated "V" for Versatile, utilizes nearly 20 percent fewer platform components and weighs around 150 pounds less than the previous "B" platform. While retaining the same 102.4-inch wheelbase and 66.7-inch width as the previous generation Versa Sedan, the new model is 1.2 inches lower in height (59.6 inches) and 0.6 inches shorter in overall length (175.4 inches). The biggest dimensional gain, however, is in the visible gain in trunk length – provided by a more compact engine/transmission design that allows for a 2.7-inch increase in rear overhang (the distance from the center of the rear tire to the rear bumper).

"The new Versa Sedan proves that when it comes to packaging and aerodynamic efficiency, not all small sedans are created equal," says Castignetti. "The same can be said of the engine, which beautifully balances excellent environmental performance, responsive power and smooth, quiet operation."

The second-generation 1.6-liter HR16DE 4-cylinder engine includes a range of cutting-edge technologies, making it one of the most advanced powerplants in class. For example, while the average engine uses only one injector per cylinder to inject fuel, the new Versa Sedan engine is equipped with two streamlined injectors mounted near the inlet valve for each cylinder. This dual injector system allows a wider injection of fuel, with the smaller nozzles delivering a finer spray (approximately 57 percent finer than the previous generation single injector design's particle size) to help achieve stable combustion.

The new compact, lighter weight engine also utilizes a twin Continuously Variable Timing Control (CVTC) system mounted on both intake and exhaust ports (versus conventional CVTC systems which are mounted only on the intake port), similar to the system used on the flagship Nissan Maxima. Using a CVTC on the outlet port increases thermal efficiency, decreases inhalation resistance and offers an approximate four percent improvement in fuel efficiency.

Other enhancements include the addition of a piston oiling jet, tuning of the piston top shape and expansion of the exhaust manifold diameter.
"To incorporate the new dual injector system into an entry-level vehicle is very fitting of Nissan's corporate philosophy of 'innovation for all' – bring advanced technology to high volume segments rather than saving them only for high-end machines," says Castignetti. "The new dual injector system also uses around half the amount of rare metals in the catalyzer by reducing the amount of unburned fuel and hydrocarbon emissions."
The new 1.6-liter engine is rated at 109 horsepower @ 6,000 rpm and 107 lb-ft of torque @ 4,400 rpm.

The Versa Sedan is available with a 5-speed manual transmission (1.6 S model only) and with a next-generation Xtronic CVT™ transmission. The CVT allows continuous change of the transmission gear ratio by connecting the two pulleys with a metallic belt and changing their diameter by using hydraulic pressure. The new CVT design adds an auxiliary gearbox using planetary gearing, helping improve efficiency.
The CVT also features a transmission ratio of 7.3:1, which is broader than those of conventional CVTs and even typical 7-speed automatic transmissions. Friction is reduced by about 30 percent, weight by about 13 percent and overall size by about 10 percent versus the previous Versa Sedan CVT design.

Versa also offers low rolling resistance P185/65R15 all-season tires with available 15-inch aluminum-alloy wheels.

"The result of all these enhancements and advances is that the new Versa Sedan engine burns cleaner and uses less fuel, which combined with the improved CVT performance and better aerodynamics reduces overall fuel consumption by about five miles per gallon versus the 2011 Versa Sedan," says Castignetti. "Better mileage means fewer stops at the pump – and more 'room in the wallet' for other activities."

Fuel economy for the 2012 Versa Sedan is estimated at 30 mpg City, 37 mpg Highway and 33 mpg Combined with the CVT transmission (27/36/30 mpg with the 5-speed manual transmission) (preliminary estimates).
All 2012 Versa Sedans are equipped with an independent MacPherson strut front suspension and torsion beam rear suspension, with front and rear stabilizer bars. Other standard equipment includes Electric Power Steering and power-assisted front disc/rear drum brakes. An Anti-lock Braking System (ABS) with Electronic Brake force Distribution (EBD) and Brake Assist (BA) is also standard on all Versa Sedan models.

In addition, the new Versa will be the first Nissan model in the United States branded with the PUREDRIVE™ designation. PUREDRIVE will be used on models utilizing Nissan's most advanced technologies to promote eco-friendly driving and lower CO2 emissions*.

Standard safety features found on every 2012 Versa Sedan include the Nissan Advanced Air Bag System (AABS) (includes dual-stage front supplemental air bags and front seat side-impact supplemental air bags for chest protection), seat-mounted driver and front passenger side-impact supplemental air bags, and roof-mounted curtain side-impact air bags for front and rear outboard occupant head protection.

Additional safety features include standard LATCH (Lower Anchors and Tethers for CHildren) system, child safety rear door locks, child seat upper tether anchors and Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS), Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC) and Traction Control System (TCS).

Summer 2011 On-Sale Date

The all-new 2012 Nissan Versa Sedan will be available in three well-equipped models when it goes on sale at Nissan dealers nationwide in summer 2011 – Versa Sedan 1.6 S (offered in 5MT and CVT versions), Versa Sedan 1.6 SV (CVT only) and Versa Sedan 1.6 SL (CVT only).
Along with the 1.6 S model's many standard features, the 1.6 SV adds cruise control, Fine Vision instrumentation, chrome grille accents, body-color dual power remote-controlled sideview mirrors, upgraded cloth seats, power windows and more.

Versa Sedan 1.6 SL models add 15-inch aluminum-alloy wheels, fog lights, variable intermittent wipers, chromed inside door handles, 60/40-split fold-down rear seat, Bluetooth® Hands-free Phone System, steering wheel audio controls, USB/iPod® connectivity, upgraded audio system, door-linked map lights and more.

Just three options packages are offered: the Cruise Control Package (1.6 S CVT only); the SV Convenience Package (1.6 SV only) with Bluetooth® Hands-free Phone System, steering wheel-mounted audio controls, upgraded audio, iPod® control, map lights and front passenger vanity mirror. The SL Tech Package (1.6 SL only) adds the Nissan Navigation System with XM NavTraffic® (XM® subscription required, sold separately) and 5-inch color touch-screen display and XM® Satellite Radio (XM® subscription required, sold separately).

The 2012 Versa Sedan will be manufactured at Nissan's Aguascalientes, Mexico assembly plant that also builds Nissan Sentra models for the United States market.

"This all-new Versa Sedan is a total value proposition," concludes Castignetti. "The Big Small Car is bringing Innovation Within Reach to an eagerly awaiting audience."

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*Lower emissions compared to the MY '11 Versa and estimates for PUREDRIVE technology.

2012 Nissan Versa Sedan

Key Dimensions and Specifications

Engine: 1.6-liter 16-valve DOHC inline-4 cylinder with dual injector system and twin Continuous Valve Timing Control (CVTC), producing 109 horsepower and 107 lb-ft of torque
Transmission: 5-speed manual or second-generation Xtronic CVT™ with Adaptive Shift Control (ASC) and sub-planetary gear
Drive Configuration: Front engine/front-wheel drive
Platform: New global Nissan V-platform
Wheels/Tires: 15-inch steel wheels with full wheel covers, P185/65R15 all-season tires
Available 15-inch aluminum-alloy wheels
Suspension: Independent strut front with stabilizer bar
Torsion beam rear axle with integrated stabilizer bar
Braking: Power-assisted vented front discs; rear drum brakes,
4-wheel Anti-lock Braking System (ABS) with Brake Assist and Electronic Brake force Distribution (EBD)
Steering: Electric power-assisted steering
Wheelbase: 102.4 inches
Length: 175.4 inches
Width: 66.7 inches
Height: 59.6 inches
Seating Capacity: 5 passengers
Interior Volume: 90.0 cubic feet
Trunk Volume: 14.8 cubic feet
Total Volume: 104.8 cubic feet
Exterior Design: Upscale design with strong sense of volume, shoulder and dimension; dynamic sedan shape with defined trunk; enhanced aerodynamics with 0.31 Cd; new Nissan signature front grille; multi-reflector halogen headlights; body-color front and rear fascias; available chrome accented grille, blacked-out B-pillar, chrome door handles, body-color dual power remote-controlled sideview mirrors, fog lights
Interior Design: High-quality look and feel; 5-passenger seating; comfortable rear seat with ample rear legroom and knee room; adjustable front bucket seats; fixed rear seatback with outboard adjustable head restraints; cloth seat trim; AM/FM/CD audio system, front door map pockets with bottle holder; dual front and rear cupholders; 12-volt power outlet

Available Interior Features Key-linked illuminated entry system; upgraded cloth seat trim; driver's seat lifter; Fine Vision instrumentation; upgraded trip computer; front and rear power windows with driver's one-touch down; speed-sensing auto door locks; cruise control; map lamp; remote trunk release; 60/40 split fold-down rear seat; upgraded AM/FM/CD audio system with 4 speakers; steering wheel audio controls; Nissan Navigation System with XM NavTraffic® (XM® subscription required, sold separately) and with 5-inch color touch-screen display; Bluetooth® Hands-free Phone System; XM® Satellite Radio (XM® subscription required, sold separately); integrated Interface System for USB/iPod®

Select Safety and Security: Nissan Advanced Air Bag System (AABS) with dual stage supplemental front air bags; seat-mounted driver and front passenger side-impact supplemental air bags; roof-mounted curtain side-impact supplemental air bags; LATCH system; child safety rear door locks; Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS); Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC) and Traction Control System (TCS)

Estimated Fuel Economy: 30 mpg City, 37 mpg Highway, 33 mpg Combined (CVT) (Mfg. estimate)

Models: Available in Versa Sedan 1.6 S (M/T, CVT), Versa Sedan 1.6 SV (CVT) and Versa Sedan 1.6 SL (CVT)

Designated a PUREDRIVE™ vehicle, indicating utilization of Nissan's most advanced technologies to promote eco-friendly driving and lower CO2 emissions*
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*Lower emissions compared to the MY '11 Versa and estimates for PUREDRIVE technology

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Wow ... It looks big & cool. I don't think it will come in entry level sedan category. Nissan Micra is small car still its petrol variant is 6L OTR for top end. Diesel is more costly. So i don't think they will launch this big vehicle with price tag of 5 L even for the base model Ex showroom. My guess is it will try to fight with Linea, Fiesta (new), Verna category.
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Wow! All of a sudden, I am in love with this car. This doesn't look as bad as it was made out to be. As said earlier, pricing is the key.

Good work Nissan!
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Looks really good. I hope they price it right.
Anyone has word on India launch date yet??
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looks like it has only manual a/c? or i have not read properly?
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My guess is it will try to fight with Linea, Fiesta (new), Verna category.
+1 to that, the dimensions from designersf's post put it on par with the Honda City and slightly lesser that the Linea (in length atleast).

The Dzire and Etios are one segment below in terms of size. But, and its a big but, the rear shoulder room according to the spec on the Internet is about the same as in Micra which can be a deal breaker if the car is not priced well.

New 2011 Nissan Versa Base Sedan interior Specs - 2011 Nissan Versa Base Sedan Seats, Floormats, Leg Room - Motor Trend Magazine

"Interior dimensions: 40.6 in. front headroom, 37.9 in. rear headroom, 48.8 in. front hip room, 47.2 in. rear hip room, 41.4 in. front leg room, 38.0 in. rear leg room, 53.5 in. front shoulder room, 50.7 in. rear shoulder room and 94.3 cu ft. interior volume"

I would suspect about 6-6.5L starting price for the petrol and a 7-7.5L for a diesel (ex. showroom)

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Looks really good. I hope they price it right.
Anyone has word on India launch date yet??
Read GTO's post below.

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High Points:

- All new sedan based on the Nissan "V" platform.

- India debut in 2nd half of 2011.

- Called "Nissan Sunny" in China, where it goes on sale next month. Name may be changed for India.

- 1.5 Liter petrol. CVT automatic may be offered as an option.

- Standard MacPherson struts at the front & torsion beam rear.

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looks like it has only manual a/c? or i have not read properly?
The US Model doesn't seem to have climate control. The Indian Micra get's climate control. So logical to think the Indian model will also get it.

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The car certainly seems to have elements of Maxima on the C pillar. The longer bonnet and fenders make the 3 box design proportionate unlike the Dezire even though there is uncanny similarity from the rear view. Very like-able. Going by Micra, if it is loaded to the gills, may make it a compelling C segment offering.
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Adding one more photo to the thread. A different colour for a change
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All doubts regarding out of sync design in the rear portion would be put to rest if they change one thing. Just upsize the tyre and see what it does. The tyre size is the main culprit.

Ideal would be 16".

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