Mitsubishi Cedia launched. VTec beater?? - Page 5 - Team-BHP

devarshi84 · 22nd January 2006, 02:26

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Originally Posted by Aditya

With 115bhp, the Cedia is not even as powerful as the old Lancer 1.8 and more expensive. I bet even God dosen't know what those guys at HM-Mitsubishi are thinking!

I think they have over worked what with 6 models in the line to be released.

But I am confused because the roadtests and first drives done by all the magz and all the websites have the power marked at 125bhp.

and now HM is bringing in a new number to play with. DO you suppose we should wait until the website is up?

Insane Devil · 23rd January 2006, 16:18

well, another car manufacturer thinking that Indians are Indians, and can do with any kinda Sh*t u throw at them! buggerz! why do they keep derpiving us of power! unke baap ka kya jaaega agar hume 10 bhp aur dede to!

devarshi84 · 24th January 2006, 01:39

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Originally Posted by Insane Devil

well, another car manufacturer thinking that Indians are Indians, and can do with any kinda Sh*t u throw at them! buggerz! why do they keep derpiving us of power! unke baap ka kya jaaega agar hume 10 bhp aur dede to!

If the bhp figure is 115 then I am with you this time buddy

suman · 24th January 2006, 09:56

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Originally Posted by devarshi84

If the bhp figure is 115 then I am with you this time buddy

Well, the ad is out this morning and it says 115 bhp! For the life of me, I can't figure out why a manufacturer would launch a 2 litre 115 bhp powerplant when their 1.8L option develops 5 bhp more? Any ideas anyone?

BuRnT RuBbEr · 24th January 2006, 10:19

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Originally Posted by suman

Well, the ad is out this morning and it says 115 bhp! For the life of me, I can't figure out why a manufacturer would launch a 2 litre 115 bhp powerplant when their 1.8L option develops 5 bhp more? Any ideas anyone?

this is one of the reasons why new launches fail to excite me lately. i wish there was some association of normal car users too, who could go on some kind of boycott for doing such injustice to the indian customer.

owning a car in india is not as easy as it is in other countries. for hell sake, make it a better experience.

CaliforniaKnight · 24th January 2006, 10:54

with the Civic hiding behind the bush.....Cedia better run for cover.

Steeroid · 24th January 2006, 11:02

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Originally Posted by suman

Well, the ad is out this morning and it says 115 bhp! For the life of me, I can't figure out why a manufacturer would launch a 2 litre 115 bhp powerplant when their 1.8L option develops 5 bhp more? Any ideas anyone?

Forget beating Vtecs, this one cant take on the Elantra CRDi.

Tall talk should be matched by tall torque.

suman · 24th January 2006, 11:17

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Originally Posted by BuRnT RuBbEr

this is one of the reasons why new launches fail to excite me lately. i wish there was some association of normal car users too, who could go on some kind of boycott for doing such injustice to the indian customer.

owning a car in india is not as easy as it is in other countries. for hell sake, make it a better experience.

. And this time around ALL our car mags have got it majorly wrong - they were all talking about 125 throughout. I wonder how that happens. I mean, they do a sneak preview in Chennai, talk about 125 bhp and then we end up with 10 bhp less!

Steeroid · 24th January 2006, 11:22

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Originally Posted by suman

. And this time around ALL our car mags have got it majorly wrong - they were all talking about 125 throughout. I wonder how that happens. I mean, they do a sneak preview in Chennai, talk about 125 bhp and then we end up with 10 bhp less!

Whats so great about 125 bhp ? Toyota does 135 from its 1.8 litre engine, Hyundai does 125 from their 1.8 too.

Harrie · 24th January 2006, 11:26

Wonder what HM plans to do with that 2.0L engine? They could have very well given the 1.8L INVEC engine.

But think of it this way, if the engine is under a very mild state of tune, then it shuld be possible to extract quite a bit more without even turbocharging it. Now that should be of some comfort.

But one can never be sure. Remember the diesel lancer? Know how much it sold in tirupur coimbatore alone? Have to wait and watch too see the market response.

suman · 24th January 2006, 11:40

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Originally Posted by Steeroid

Whats so great about 125 bhp ? Toyota does 135 from its 1.8 litre engine, Hyundai does 125 from their 1.8 too.

125 bhp is nothing great compared to 135 but its an awful lot better than 115 thats all. Not too many 2 litre petrol engines launched here that actually produce less bhp than 1.8 litre engines, thats the point I'm making. And.....misinformation to the auto enthusiast all along, primarily from the auto magazines who were talking about 125.

Aditya · 24th January 2006, 12:17

I think HM detunes the engines before they make the cars available to public. Probably they think that detuning results in better ecnomy or better ability to cope with bad fuel. HM will be HM.

Beeman · 24th January 2006, 12:38

i wonder how well mitsubishi are doing world over. I mean in europe there is not too much off a buzz about their cars. Except with the racing enthusiasts for the evio range of cars, but then again there is th ford focus, nissan skyline, suburu impreza, ford cosworth among others to compete with !! its the same story with south east asia. With HM and mitsubishi it seems to be the same path with nothing too exciting coming in the long run. For any car company in india to survive i believe they need to have these things (of course this is quite subjective):-
1. A car placed in the 4-6lac segment for volume
2. An suv in the 5-8lac bracket
3. or you could be Honda (and i aint a fan)

BUSA · 24th January 2006, 13:52

This engine has the same EVO block. So if we start to tune it we can extract 400 BHP. Now thats something.

devarshi84 · 25th January 2006, 01:18

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Originally Posted by Harrie

Wonder what HM plans to do with that 2.0L engine? They could have very well given the 1.8L INVEC engine.

But think of it this way, if the engine is under a very mild state of tune, then it shuld be possible to extract quite a bit more without even turbocharging it. Now that should be of some comfort.

But one can never be sure. Remember the diesel lancer? Know how much it sold in tirupur coimbatore alone? Have to wait and watch too see the market response.

As for our cedia, All the journos have said good things about cedia's power. But that was without detuning. I hope to see a new roadtest on the cedia from the journos soon.

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Originally Posted by Steeroid

Whats so great about 125 bhp ? Toyota does 135 from its 1.8 litre engine, Hyundai does 125 from their 1.8 too.

Toyota doesnt do 135 but 123 from its engine and hyundai is higher at 127

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Originally Posted by Beeman

i wonder how well mitsubishi are doing world over. I mean in europe there is not too much off a buzz about their cars. Except with the racing enthusiasts for the evio range of cars, but then again there is th ford focus, nissan skyline, suburu impreza, ford cosworth among others to compete with !! its the same story with south east asia. With HM and mitsubishi it seems to be the same path with nothing too exciting coming in the long run. For any car company in india to survive i believe they need to have these things (of course this is quite subjective):-
1. A car placed in the 4-6lac segment for volume
2. An suv in the 5-8lac bracket
3. or you could be Honda (and i aint a fan)

Mitsubishi is on a rise since the last year when talkin sales. UK,N.America, Japan and every other place.

the new eclipse,gallant and Montero are wat forms the bulk of the sales

24th January 2006, 10:54	#66 (permalink)
CaliforniaKnight BHPian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: IND + DXB Posts: 672 View My Garage	with the Civic hiding behind the bush.....Cedia better run for cover. __________________ Been there, done that........ but I MISS the MONSOON DRIVE '08

24th January 2006, 11:26	#70 (permalink)
Harrie BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: KA 03, KL 12, TN 38 Posts: 603 View My Garage	Wonder what HM plans to do with that 2.0L engine? They could have very well given the 1.8L INVEC engine. But think of it this way, if the engine is under a very mild state of tune, then it shuld be possible to extract quite a bit more without even turbocharging it. Now that should be of some comfort. But one can never be sure. Remember the diesel lancer? Know how much it sold in tirupur coimbatore alone? Have to wait and watch too see the market response. __________________ Its like turbo lag. But funny there isn't a turbo.

24th January 2006, 12:17	#72 (permalink)
Aditya Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,835 View My Garage	I think HM detunes the engines before they make the cars available to public. Probably they think that detuning results in better ecnomy or better ability to cope with bad fuel. HM will be HM. __________________ MH 01 T 1476 - Here we go again!!!

24th January 2006, 13:52	#74 (permalink)
BUSA Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,192 View My Garage	This engine has the same EVO block. So if we start to tune it we can extract 400 BHP. Now thats something. __________________ thecarsandmore.blogspot. com

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