Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > The Indian Car Scene


Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12th May 2008, 09:44   #976
Senior - BHPian
 
SkyWalker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 1,531
Thanked: 122 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shankar.balan View Post
he was cursing its lack of fuel economy - very heavy on the gas he tells me.

If you realize it, deep down, based on general experience with GM right from Opel Astra, Swing, Corsa, Sail, Forester, Optra, SRV and everything, many of us dont completely trust them.

Their service is pretty poor too as is their re-sale value which is absolutely lousy. My other pal bought a used one and half year old Optra at 4.7 lacs ( the car cost 8 lacs on the road when it was first bought).
the classic problems with American cars like Ford & GM. Poor mileage, comparatively poor reliability after 3-4 years, and bad resale. Heck - people in America (notice i didn't say "Americans") don't buy US cars due to the same reasons.

No wonder most people stick to Japs for pocket friendly cars and Germans for great engineering.
SkyWalker is offline  
Old 12th May 2008, 14:17   #977
BHPian
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: horamavu
Posts: 374
Thanked: 7 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyWalker View Post
Now, this is a surprise. I had expected the TATA numbers to go up after CS lunch and the Sumo Grande/new Safari. I wonder whats really wrong with TATA!
SkyWalker, You have read only the first part of cumulative sales less that is due to low sales in Indica. but check the below box.

[quote=TeddyBear;824694]
The Indigo family registered sales of 3763 nos., an increase of 43% over April 2007. Sumo and Safari sales at 3650 nos, registered an increase of 9.3% over April last year.
quote]
TeddyBear is offline  
Old 12th May 2008, 14:57   #978
Senior - BHPian
 
vnabhi's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: DC -> DC
Posts: 5,271
Thanked: 1,236 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyWalker View Post
the classic problems with American cars like Ford & GM. Poor mileage, comparatively poor reliability after 3-4 years, and bad resale. Heck - people in America (notice i didn't say "Americans") don't buy US cars due to the same reasons.

No wonder most people stick to Japs for pocket friendly cars and Germans for great engineering.
Err, isn't Optra a German car, though from GM stable? If so, why the poor resale value, as quoted above by shanker.balan?
vnabhi is offline  
Old 12th May 2008, 15:08   #979
Senior - BHPian
 
reignofchaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 2,224
Thanked: 1,176 Times
Default

Optra is a Daewoo not Opel.
reignofchaos is offline  
Old 12th May 2008, 15:35   #980
Senior - BHPian
 
SkyWalker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 1,531
Thanked: 122 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by reignofchaos View Post
Optra is a Daewoo not Opel.
isnt the car more than just the engine? take Palio 1.3 MJD and swift diesel - same engine but different brands and packaging makes a big difference in demand
SkyWalker is offline  
Old 12th May 2008, 17:51   #981
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Delhi
Posts: 2,175
Thanked: 128 Times
Default

I am extremely sorry that I have not been able to post official figures for April 2008 car sales because of (a) personal (medical) reasons (b) subscription renewal delays. Both have now been sorted out, and should post figures in a day or two. Sorry again.
vasudeva is offline  
Old 12th May 2008, 17:57   #982
Team-BHP Support
 
Eddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Delhi
Posts: 7,403
Thanked: 4,680 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vasudeva View Post
I am extremely sorry that I have not been able to post official figures for April 2008 car sales because of (a) personal (medical) reasons (b) subscription renewal delays. Both have now been sorted out, and should post figures in a day or two. Sorry again.
Good to know both issues sorted out. No need to be sorry mate You are educating all of us.
Eddy is offline  
Old 13th May 2008, 09:35   #983
Senior - BHPian
 
neoonwheels's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Pune
Posts: 1,652
Thanked: 599 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vasudeva View Post
I am extremely sorry that I have not been able to post official figures for April 2008 car sales because of (a) personal (medical) reasons (b) subscription renewal delays. Both have now been sorted out, and should post figures in a day or two. Sorry again.
I was wondering why there is not a single post from Vasudeva since long on this thread.. Take care bro !!!
neoonwheels is offline  
Old 13th May 2008, 09:43   #984
BHPian
 
sathya_nars's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 642
Thanked: 52 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyWalker View Post
it is high time they bring a diesel - if priced sensibly it will give Fiesta & Verna a run for their money.

I just don't understand car manufactures launching in India without diesels (SX4,Aveo) - when clearly diesel sells volumes.
IMHO diesel engine experts are few and Swift D engine borrowed from Fiat. Don't understand why MUL can't gain expertise with diesel engines. Tata has more expertise than MUL, but they too don't have diesel cars in premium C segment and D.
sathya_nars is offline  
Old 13th May 2008, 09:45   #985
Senior - BHPian
 
vnabhi's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: DC -> DC
Posts: 5,271
Thanked: 1,236 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vasudeva View Post
I am extremely sorry that I have not been able to post official figures for April 2008 car sales because of (a) personal (medical) reasons (b) subscription renewal delays. Both have now been sorted out, and should post figures in a day or two. Sorry again.
Hope you get well soon and become fighting fit to post those figures
vnabhi is offline  
Old 13th May 2008, 12:13   #986
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Delhi
Posts: 2,175
Thanked: 128 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vnabhi View Post
Hope you get well soon and become fighting fit to post those figures
OT: I am well so far. It is just that I was in hospital from 30/4-7/5 attending to my mother. So was my brother and family.
vasudeva is offline  
Old 13th May 2008, 12:15   #987
Senior - BHPian
 
vnabhi's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: DC -> DC
Posts: 5,271
Thanked: 1,236 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vasudeva View Post
OT: I am well so far. It is just that I was in hospital from 30/4-7/5 attending to my mother. So was my brother and family.
Thanks for the update. I wish your mom a speedy recovery.
vnabhi is offline  
Old 13th May 2008, 12:52   #988
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Delhi
Posts: 2,175
Thanked: 128 Times
Default

Have posted the April 2008 figures here:

Key points:
Ignore 3/08 when comparing with 4/08 because of year end in 3/08.
Sales in 4/08 increased at a high rate compared with 4/07.
We would expect some increase in sales for 4/08 compared with 4/07. However, a careful look at the numbers reveal some fudging of 3/08 figures (or advance booking) for City and Dzire. How can City post a 22.6% decline over 4/08 and 70% over 3/08.
Really, 4/08 is not a typical month, and so comparisons may be irrelevant. Over the last 3-4 months, some model conclusions: (a) Success: i10, Dzire, 3-series (b) so/so and flops: Fabia, Indigo CS.

Last edited by GTO : 18th May 2009 at 09:58. Reason: As per email discussion
vasudeva is offline  
Old 13th May 2008, 14:04   #989
BHPian
 
appuchan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Bangy
Posts: 641
Thanked: 16 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vasudeva View Post
Have posted the April 2008 figures here:

vasudeva - DOMESTIC SALES
Key points:
Ignore 3/08 when comparing with 4/08 because of year end in 3/08.
Sales in 4/08 increased at a high rate compared with 4/07.
We would expect some increase in sales for 4/08 compared with 4/07. However, a careful look at the numbers reveal some fudging of 3/08 figures (or advance booking) for City and Dzire. How can City post a 22.6% decline over 4/08 and 70% over 3/08.
Really, 4/08 is not a typical month, and so comparisons may be irrelevant. Over the last 3-4 months, some model conclusions: (a) Success: i10, Dzire, 3-series (b) so/so and flops: Fabia, Indigo CS.
As usual, the mid-size segment looks quite interesting. See the chart below for the period from Apr 07 to Apr 08. NHC seems to be moving into a "perfect sine wave"
Attached Thumbnails
Indian Car Sales Figures and Analysis-midsize-car-sales.jpg  


Last edited by appuchan : 13th May 2008 at 14:05.
appuchan is offline  
Old 13th May 2008, 14:32   #990
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Delhi
Posts: 2,175
Thanked: 128 Times
Default

Wait for May 2008 press releases from manufacturers. The biggest change in the language could be from GM. They launched Spark in 4/07 and immediately saw a 2-2.5K increase per month. That appeared in the PRs as 50-60% sales increases.

Here is GM's year on year (yoy) sales increases which have been well noted in their PRs:

5/07: 56.2%, 12/07: 144.3%, 1/08: 46.1%; 2/08: 80.2%; 3/08: 50.5%; 4/08: a shocker at 24.3% (because of Spark numbers in both 4/07 and 4/08). My prediction for 5/08 (unless GM cuts Spark price by another 50K): 5-10%.
vasudeva is offline  
Closed Thread


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
January 2010 - Indian Car Sales Figures & Analysis GTO The Indian Car Scene 152 26th February 2010 12:07
September 2009 Indian Car Sales Figures & Analysis akj53 The Indian Car Scene 288 7th November 2009 20:52
August 2009 Indian Car Sales Figures & Analysis GTO The Indian Car Scene 100 5th October 2009 14:52
July 2009 Indian Car Sales Figures & Analysis vasudeva The Indian Car Scene 209 9th September 2009 13:38
June 2009 Indian Car Sales Figures & Analysis GTO The Indian Car Scene 136 10th August 2009 15:57


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 03:34.

Copyright 2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks