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Old 19th January 2011, 15:32   #31
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random question. does anyone know how much a skoda octavia rs does 0 to 100 in?
I think its about 8 seconds
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Old 19th January 2011, 21:46   #32
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Nice comparision. But where are the Merc & BMW ?

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All of them are more expensive than the ones mentioned. But thanks for bringing up this point. I was surprised myself.

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Nice effort. Had you used a log scale, the numbers you used for the hatch back would have been much more clearer.
True. If I had included Veyron, definitely log scale would be needed!

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Nice compilation of the data. One question with Indian consumer in mind who would prefer the 0-100 data when buying a car and where would one get to test this during the buying process? Is this data just for the sake of comparison?
Thanks. I don't expect a customer of i10 to purchase A4 after checking this data set! That will be the day. This is more of a ever-wonder-how type question.

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Maybe you should consider the Optra here, which I think does a 0-100 in less than 10 sec. It could replace the City as its cheaper than the city but is faster.
Definitely. It turns out that the Diesel Optra is actually a tad slower than the City.

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How about adding a 0-100-0 chart? Not sure if data is easily available.
Long time back one of the automags carried such a test for many cars across segments. It was for cars available in India at that time period. May be it is still available on the net.

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I'm surprised to note that Fiat Linea T-Jet is missing in this graph. Any reason behind this?
It is more expensive than Fiesta. Both are in 11.xx sec bracket.

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I don't think DOT has posted this thread as a purchase guide. His question is simply how much does a sec cost?

As someone mentioned in one of the posts, the atom should make it to the list but is it readily available in India?
True on both counts. Thanks. My intention was not to market cars. Just a question.
Let me give a simplistic analogy. It is some thing like wondering how much a 3BHK will cost in Whitefield Bangalore vs Aundh Pune vs Thane Mumbai vs Bandra Mumbai vs one of the 100 stories coming up in Sobo. Those who have to buy in a specific place will buy anyways.

Finally, Ariel Atom is not available in India as far as I know.

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Good effort for the sake of comparison across segments. However IMHO the Indian car buyer would not buy another car just for saving 1 second. There are a lot of other factors considered. for example, I am sure someone would buy the ANHC over the Fiesta for factors other than the '1 second faster' bit.
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@DOT - Since you have done the comparison, can you tell me which is the quickest hatch available in India? Maybe you could publish the entire list, that would be very helpful
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For the 11.xx segment the contender was Ford Fiesta 1.6 without any question since it was the least expensive. Price 6.5 on road.
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Are you referring to the 1.6S or the normal 1.6 petrol variant. Can you confirm that?
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Thanks Guna. Well, there's manufature's claim and here's ACI numbers then. I guess the truth lies somewhere in between
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Further Alto K10 brochure does say 0-100 in about 13 sec, but AutoCar mag says 15.xx sec. Which one to believe?
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The manufacturers generally get these figures from their testing at VRDE. And there are specialist/expert drivers at VRDE who will help to get the best possible timings, both for acceleration and for braking distance tests.

If any of us do the same tests with the same equipment, we may not get the best possible timings because of our lack of expertise in doing that.

So the manufacturer's figures would be the best possible timings and the car magazine's timings would be more of real life readings with less expert drivers at the wheels.
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Nice for entertainment purpose

Good to see the correction of A8 to R8 - Hope it gets reflected on the first post as well.

The Linea T-Jet figures may not have been in the Autocar issue that you checked out? I thought it beats the City.

Was the New Superb V6 slower than the Accord V6? Did you check the superb V6 figures as well? - Evidently no one wants to move from 8.xx sec to 7.xx in cost effective manner as neither the Accord nor the Superb V6 sell much. It's where one has a turning point and starts going for snob value, and features.
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dot, this is a very interesting exercise. It is often fun to look at such hypothetical questions for curiosity sake and this question was on my mind as well. Thanks for stating this.

However, like others have pointed out, the data needs to be re-checked for correctness. I seriously doubt Fiesta 1.6S is 6.5L on road. Here in Bangalore, it is more than 8L on road.

If we had the data of price and 0-100 numbers for all cars, some more interesting analysis can be done. For example, alongside the curve you have, one could also plot the curve for "the most expensive car for a given 0-100 number". This will show the cheapest to the most expensive price band for each second for 0-100. This will also highlight what else goes in the car apart from pure performance, and you will see cars significantly more expensive (for justifiable reasons, of course) than some others at the same 0-100 time.
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@DOT - Since you have done the comparison, can you tell me which is the quickest hatch available in India? Maybe you could publish the entire list, that would be very helpful
See the thing is, I got all the information from reading a few magazines and rechecking the net. So publishing a list which anyone can make looks a bit funny, in my opinion. Cant claim that I am an expert in these matters! There are many in this forum who are far more knowledgeable. However I will try to answer the question of the fastest hatch, fully aware that this might cause more debates!

I think the fastest hatchs available as new from showroom are Fiat Palio Stile 1.6 and VW Polo 1.6. I thought VW Beetle as the fastest hatch, but looks like it isn't. If someone knows a faster hatch please let us know.

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@Dot,

Are you referring to the 1.6S or the normal 1.6 petrol variant. Can you confirm that?
As far as I know, both Fiesta 1.6 and 1.6S have same engine in the same state of tune. Acceleration figures of both are expected to be same. The S differs in suspension setup, wheel size and some interior and exterior mods. Again someone please correct if this is not true.

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Nice for entertainment purpose

Good to see the correction of A8 to R8 - Hope it gets reflected on the first post as well.

The Linea T-Jet figures may not have been in the Autocar issue that you checked out? I thought it beats the City.

Was the New Superb V6 slower than the Accord V6? Did you check the superb V6 figures as well? - Evidently no one wants to move from 8.xx sec to 7.xx in cost effective manner as neither the Accord nor the Superb V6 sell much. It's where one has a turning point and starts going for snob value, and features.
The reports say that Linea TJet is slightly slower than ANHC. Different reports quote different figures for the same car. Sometimes variation is more than a second. This is understandable since there are many factors. Driver, fuel type, engine run-in, weight inside the car, tyre specs and pressure, outside temperature, altitude are some variables I can think of. So it is possible that some car tested in a different set of conditions can outdo another on paper comparisons. The best comparos are side by side. Such data is difficult to get.

I could not find the values of Superb V6 so far. If it is faster than Accord, I can definitely modify the plot.

Agree on your final point. What I understand, the cost of a volume segment car is about 50% of sticker price. The rest is profit for manufacturer and dealers. For premium and supercars, the margins are even higher since the numbers are few and details and hand-crafting also adds to cost of manufacturing. Further for imports there is a customs and supply chain component . So I assume that the exponential rise in cost after 8-7 sec not only reflects engineering the car but all these factors too.

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dot, this is a very interesting exercise. It is often fun to look at such hypothetical questions for curiosity sake and this question was on my mind as well. Thanks for stating this.

However, like others have pointed out, the data needs to be re-checked for correctness. I seriously doubt Fiesta 1.6S is 6.5L on road. Here in Bangalore, it is more than 8L on road.

If we had the data of price and 0-100 numbers for all cars, some more interesting analysis can be done. For example, alongside the curve you have, one could also plot the curve for "the most expensive car for a given 0-100 number". This will show the cheapest to the most expensive price band for each second for 0-100. This will also highlight what else goes in the car apart from pure performance, and you will see cars significantly more expensive (for justifiable reasons, of course) than some others at the same 0-100 time.
As I said, Fiesta 1.6 and 1.6S have same power and acceleration specs. So I took the lowest variant cost whose onroad price is around 6.5 in Pune.

Yeah the expensive car analysis might be fun also. Thanks!
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