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Old 4th September 2008, 17:47   #61
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that could be the new bosch start stop system they are talking about to be fitted in the bolero and scorpio hybrid. hence the automatic start stop. i feel mahindra has plans to launch this in the bolero initially hence the testing with bolero engine. its the same engine with the M2Di scorpio.

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Good Observation there! So far detailing doing a good job of hiding it.
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Old 21st October 2008, 15:44   #63
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Was going through economic times website today and came across this

M&M launches 'micro-hybrid' Scorpio, Bolero- Automobiles-Auto-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times

has anybody heard of it ?

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The micro-hybrid technology enables vehicle engine to turn off automatically when idle or in neutral gear. The engine restarts once the clutch is pressed.
I seriously doubt if this is going to be worked well in high traffic congestion cities, where in one has to move bumper-to-bumper and inch-by-inch.
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if it works, it would be a fuel saver. i am sure most of us spend half the driving time doing only idling
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As far as I know this is a system developed by Bosch and could be fitted on any vehicle.

See here
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Old 21st October 2008, 16:03   #67
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[FONT=Arial]The technology sounds promising with Indian traffic conditions though. Here is another link to the same story, with some pictures... Mahindra launches Scorpio and Bolero Micro hybrid | Vicky blog | Indian Automobile blog[/FONT]
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has anybody put it to use... and the pricing seems to be higher end bolero pricing than scorpio pricing ?
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As far as I know this is a system developed by Bosch and could be fitted on any vehicle.

See here
Sounds nice !!

Any knowledge of cost involved in setting up such system ?
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Good stuff. But my only question about this is what happens to the AC when the engine switches off? In our heat if the AC switches off as well then that's not so great.
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Good stuff. But my only question about this is what happens to the AC when the engine switches off? In our heat if the AC switches off as well then that's not so great.
In a normal car, when engine is running in "idle"(without acceleration), usually a clutch disconnects the compressor and only the air-blower is working (blower is battery operated). When engine reaches better RPM (accelerating) then compressor starts wroking.

Similarly, when hybrid puts the gasoline engine OFF, battery takes care of blowing air through the chiller colil.
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Utility major, Mahindra & Mahindra Ltd. (M&M), has launched the path-breaking FuelSmart system for Scorpio M2DI and Bolero SLX BS3 variants in the Indian market. The Mahindra FuelSmart system with Micro-Hybrid technology is a technological innovation developed by the Mahindra Research & Development team with the support of M/S BOSCH. This technology enables the SUV’s engine to switch off automatically at a traffic light when idle and in neutral gear and the engine starts seamlessly once the driver depresses the clutch before moving forward.
The system is based on the simple principle of not burning fuel when it is not required. It automatically detects moments, during the drive, when the vehicle is idle and stops the engine. This conserves fuel, leading to reduced running costs, and also leads to reduced emissions. FuelSmart technology, thus, marks another innovative first by one of India’s leading auto companies.
Congratulating the Mahindra Group on its latest innovation, Mr. Murli Deora, Honourable Union Minister for Petroleum and Natural Gas, said, “I am honoured and delighted to be a part of this historic & pioneering launch. Innovative technologies like the Mahindra FuelSmart system with Micro Hybrid technology will help the government achieve its sustainable energy goals. Initiatives such as this will serve as a benchmark in India’s sustainable energy programme. Today, global warming and pollution have become impediments in the face of development and we can overcome their adverse effects through path breaking technologies like the Mahindra FuelSmart system with Micro Hybrid technology.”
“The Mahindra FuelSmart system with Micro Hybrid technology reflects our commitment to sustainable growth. This initiative is part of our Sustainable Mobility Solutions programme which seeks to pioneer technologies that are not only fuel-efficient and innovative, but also environment friendly. The recent uncertainty in crude oil prices across the globe is a serious cause for concern and the Mahindra Micro Hybrids present a unique solution to mitigate the problem,” said Mr. Keshub Mahindra, Chairman, Mahindra Group.
“This pioneering technology is very relevant to India. It was specially created keeping in mind the heavy traffic congestion drivers have to face on our roads today. An incremental cost of only Rs:3,800 makes the highly advantageous Mahindra FuelSmart System quite affordable. Therefore, it can be used across a large number of vehicles and make a significant difference to energy consumption,” said Dr. Pawan Goenka – President, Automotive Sector, Mahindra & Mahindra Ltd.

The Mahindra FuelSmart system with Micro Hybrid technology switches off the vehicle’s engine after it has come to a complete halt. For example, if the vehicle comes to a halt at a traffic signal and is in neutral, the engine will shut down automatically after 10 seconds. Just before stopping, the indicator light located in the instrument cluster will blink, indicating that the engine is going to stop shortly. Once the signal turns green and the driver presses the clutch pedal, the engine starts immediately for continuing the journey.
In addition to fuel efficiency, the system also has other advantages. Since the engine is switched off during traffic signals / traffic jams, release of a considerable amount of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere is avoided. This mitigates the adverse effects of global warming, thus helping to provide us with a cleaner environment to live in.
The system also monitors health of the battery, safety requirements and the engine temperature, etc. for a trouble-free performance.

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There is already a thread talking about this
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...io-hybrid.html (Scorpio Hybrid!)
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In a normal car, when engine is running in "idle"(without acceleration), usually a clutch disconnects the compressor and only the air-blower is working (blower is battery operated). When engine reaches better RPM (accelerating) then compressor starts wroking.
Wrong!

In a normal car, when engine is running in "idle"(without acceleration), the electronic feedback control system opens the throttle to increase engine rpm enough to keep the compressor going. You notice the engine rpm rising to a plateau, on its own to maintain airconditioning.

If the behavior of your car is different, do get it serviced by a competent airconditioning repair shop.

The clutch that disconnects the compressor is there, so that when the airconditioner is switched off, the compressor need not be turned by the belt-driven pulley.
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Good stuff. But my only question about this is what happens to the AC when the engine switches off? In our heat if the AC switches off as well then that's not so great.
Here check this info bit where in it is mentioned that "An electronic brain keeps a careful eye on everything and refuses to stop the motor if the air conditioning is still needed or if the battery is running short on charge."
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