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Old 8th March 2011, 16:23   #46
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If this proposal is actually implemented, it is going to be some serious revenue for BBMP.

Given the small lanes in every "Layout" and adjoining bungalows with 2-3 floors and no parking place, almost everyone parks their car out in the lane/pavement.

Wonder how they effectively they can execute the proposal though - like how to distinguish if someone has paid, how long that is valid, whether a fee for each vehicle etc.

Might just turn out to be a legal way to make money so the CM can run around donating money to temples to wash his sins off!
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Old 8th March 2011, 22:44   #47
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IMHO this is a good step taken by BBMP towards charging for parking in BBMP Space. But I find 100 Rs/year too low an amount. It should be at least 100 rs/month if not higher.

Some people have pointed out why is BBMP charging this if govt. is collecting road tax. Road tax is for betterment of road and not for utilizing road for parking one's car permanently. People buying lacs of ruppes of cars should have planned parking slots at home else they should be willing to shell out a small percentage to BBMP for parking on the road.
one need to understand that bangalore has a lot of people from outside also. what are they supposed to do? sell that car bcos they moved to this city and start walking. they may not have own houses here and not all can afford one too. so the if the landlord does not provide parking, the solution is to sell the car or pay whatever the BBMP charges, is it? today 100, tomorrow 1000. instead why not collect that charge from the landlord / builder if he is unable to provide parking?

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Some one has asked what would people already having cars do. Answer is simple pay up if parking on the road or sell the car.
Why not the people who support this move lead by example by selling one of their cars [if not all]

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I am also of the opinion that the govt. has to improve public transport. With the introduction of Metro this problem may ease out asmore people would be using the metro instead of driving.

With metro being introduced BBMP should also look at charging Congestion tax, in key traffic congestion zones, which will reduce traffic jams. London is best example of the same. BBMP should also look at a license fees for cars as the case in Singapore. this will also control explossive growth of cars in our metros.
valid point and makes sense too. the license fee should be one time and just like road tax there should be a provision of refund should some one relocates outside bangalore.
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one need to understand that bangalore has a lot of people from outside also. what are they supposed to do? sell that car bcos they moved to this city and start walking. they may not have own houses here and not all can afford one too. so the if the landlord does not provide parking, the solution is to sell the car or pay whatever the BBMP charges, is it? today 100, tomorrow 1000. instead why not collect that charge from the landlord / builder if he is unable to provide parking?
Agree, that Bangalore has lots and lots of people from other states, and its good to charge the landlord for a mistake that he did. No doubt about this.

But, the tenant also is responsible, before renting itself he very well knows that he has a car, and it needs to be parked. So, he should start by renting a house that has a parking, rather than passing the buck on landlord and continuing what we all best do - keep a blind eye to the issue.
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Old 9th March 2011, 13:56   #49
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one need to understand that bangalore has a lot of people from outside also. what are they supposed to do? sell that car bcos they moved to this city and start walking. they may not have own houses here and not all can afford one too. so the if the landlord does not provide parking, the solution is to sell the car or pay whatever the BBMP charges, is it? today 100, tomorrow 1000. instead why not collect that charge from the landlord / builder if he is unable to provide parking?
Excuse me... is the landlord legally obligated to provide for parking? The answer is a big NO. Do they lie to the tenants about availability of parking? In some cases it might be true, but in vast majority they are upfront about the (non) availability of parking. The Tenant doesn't want to pay more money for a house/apartment with a parking facility, and would rather gladly park in the road.

In Bangalore an apartment/house with parking will cost Rs. 1k to 2k more per month to rent than a similar house without parking. Yet if BBMP wants to charge a mere fraction of the money it will cost car-owners to own/rent similar space, we hear howls of protest.

All this protest about outsiders suffering is mere hogwash, as there are enough houses with parking available, only that they cost a bit more to rent. Isn't it fair for BBMP to collect some part of the money the person is saving by parking the car on the road.

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Are the people supporting this move parking on the road and then preaching? If else this is a stupid argument. Should I let homeless people occupy my house too?
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Excuse me... is the landlord legally obligated to provide for parking? The answer is a big NO. Do they lie to the tenants about availability of parking? In some cases it might be true, but in vast majority they are upfront about the (non) availability of parking.
Agree. They are not legally obligated.

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The Tenant doesn't want to pay more money for a house/apartment with a parking facility, and would rather gladly park in the road. In Bangalore an apartment/house with parking will cost Rs. 1k to 2k more per month to rent than a similar house without parking. Yet if BBMP wants to charge a mere fraction of the money it will cost car-owners to own/rent similar space, we hear howls of protest.
1-2k per month maybe peanuts for some, not for everyone.

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All this protest about outsiders suffering is mere hogwash, as there are enough houses with parking available, only that they cost a bit more to rent. Isn't it fair for BBMP to collect some part of the money the person is saving by parking the car on the road.
wrong. it's easy to criticize the world from the comfort of one's own home. i am not sure which part of Bangalore you are talking about where there are enough houses available with parking. even if it is true, can all the people come and stay there? lets say if someone's office is in whitefield, is it practical to go stay at BSK for the sake of parking alone? if you have done a house hunt you would know how difficult it is to find a house with parking in one's budget. everyone who owns a car need not be with very deep pockets.

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Should I let homeless people occupy my house too?
No. you dont have to. but neither do you have the right to say let them all die.

GOD! this sounds like the french princess who said "Let them eat cake".

I am reserving further comments on this bcos i dont want to get infractions / banned. but if you are interested in an exchange of views, we can do it over PMs.

I would also like to know from BHPians from other parts of the country [where dedicated parking is limited], how you would take it if the same kind of measure is implemented in your city. I am sure Bangalore is not the only place people park the vehicles on road.
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This rule has no logical sense but you need brains to make sensible rules and what you expect from corrupt leaders?everyone knows. Consider this: The amount that would be collected would not be used for BBMP development work but would be gulped up by a corrupt official. Simple. They collect huge taxes from vehicles but just see the state of the roads and development works carried out. When they cannot do anything with 100 crore what you expect from 8 crores or 15 crores. This amount shall not deter people from parking their vehicles outside as the amount is too small and they have no other option. Instead BBMP should pass the rule that every new building constructed should have 1 car parking per floor with immediate effect along with proper plan and no encroachments along with proper drainage and rainwater harvesting done.
Also we need strict rules for parking as observed in other big cities of the world and implement them in accordance with conditions here so that people keep in mind that the no of cars they own should be based on utility and not used to flaunt money they have.
Also instead of fining the car owner they should fine the owner or builder of the building who did not gave provisions for proper parking just to earn few bucks more in form of rent.
They best they can do is nonsense planning and slow implementing and eating money. And we stand helpless watching the city die.

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On lighter note(please do not take any offense),
I would like to say Bangalore has one of the BEST local transport systems in the entire country(autos not included). And we'll be getting few more Volvos and Mercs (oh, yeah). So it means, traveling in a Bigger Comfort (compromising on time,though) and need for cars decreases

Nevertheless, the move by BBMP seems impractical. As someone said, people will start to park wherever they want since they have paid the money.
Imagine the plight of people staying in areas like Jayanagar 4th block. Vehicles will be parked right in front of their gates/doors(not that its not happening now, though lesser in number).
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I am strictly against charging any fee for residential parking in residential areas. Most of the commercial areas already have people charging money for parking on streets. May be this could be expanded to other commercial areas also. Other than that charging money for residential parking on streets is a big no no.
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In my opinion, and purely my personal opinion :

a) Roads are for driving and not parking. Unnecessary vehicles add to congestion and citizens must pay for the inconvenience caused to others.
b) No doubt money should be utilized in a good manner and the respective dept. must be accountable.
c) Every house must have a parking if the owner feels that its residents/ tenants/ owners would have a vehicle
d) Tenant should make sure that his/her rented house has a parking if he/she owns a vehicle, else rent a different house. The mindset of educated needs to change else you can't call others wrong.
e) Paid parking should be developed and we need a whole lot of them (This can be a really good business model for privates), public transport infrastructure should be improved.(Agree to everyone who says this will take ages in our country).

Overall, I think charging money for this is good move, though utilization of it needs to be improved. Both tenants and landlords are accountable for this mess and need to be made accountable.

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I am open to criticism, but this is my opinion.
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While the intention is good, the means they plan to employ sounds useless and I doubt it would help reduce congestion or whatever.

We have the same issue in Chennai where you find cars, autos, Ace and even buses parked on the roads blocking quite a big part of the road, thereby causing inconvenience to pedestrians/motorists. I have seen cars parked like this in other countries, but there the roads are wider, unlike our roads. So, yes this is indeed a menace.

Instead of charging a pittance like 100p.a. and spending more than that in enforcing it, a better option is for them to advertise that from so-and-so date, parking on the roads would attract hefty fines. After a grace period, immobilise illegally parked cars using the wheel-locks or have them towed away and release them only on paying towing charges + a fine which should be high enough to be a deterrent.
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