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Old 5th April 2011, 16:02   #16
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Undoubtedly the Bolero is an extremely competent beast in its class.
which is why I ve been going on ad nauseam about functional upgrades and not cosmetic ones!

It is also true that at the time I owned one, the benchmarks were different in terms of competition/ consumer aspirations. Now with more advanced vehicles being available, the yardsticks of comparison also are forced to change. Indeed thats why I myself upgraded to the Scorpio because I definitely wanted the advantage of better technology.

The same way that now, the Scorpio itself doesnt cut it any more - new benchmarks have evolved even from a personal perspective - better, more advanced safety features, ride, handling and the like. This is not to say the Scorpio is bad - its just that it doesnt cut it any more in the face of the newer competition/ consumer aspirations!

Now, to take this in perspective - wouldnt it be more sensible of M&M to upgrade both Bolero and Scorpio in terms of ergonomics, fit and finish, ride quality and suspension, safety features, greater functionality like split foldable rear seats etc, rather than simply fiddle about with the cosmetic nonsense?

Considering that M&M do sell even their MM550 type vehicle with ABS and Airbags in certain foreign markets like South Africa and Eastern Europe etc - simply because SAFETY is a requirement there! Why do they then keep trying to fob off foolish cosmetic rubbish on the Indian consumer?

There are plenty of perfectly valid suggestions for improvement on the Bolero and the Scorpio. If M&M would only listen to the voices of its reasonably knowledgeable and loyal consumers, it would catapult itself to ever greater heights in terms of sales!
Frankly even the most hard-core enthusiasts would appreciate things like functional upgrades/ options a lot more than the cosmetic ones!

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Bolero is a very competent vehicle in its class which suffers step motherly treatment from its manufacturers.

Bolero doesn't get the functional upgrades (4WD, ABS, etc)
Bolero doesn't get the better interiors (10yrs since its launch and no major changes to the interiors)

Check what previous Bolero owners like Shankar.Balan, Milecruncher, MudMover, Rocky, josepeter have told about this beast

This is the answer that you get from many of the other owners on this forum or elsewhere except the rural crowd.

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Somehow I am unable to see that model on the link. Can someone help?
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Even something as basic as an HVAC is missing in the Bolero. This makes using the heater almost impossible unless one is willing to constantly keep wiping the condensation off the windscreen. I do not understand why a vehicle that costs twice as much as a hatch does not come with an HVAC.

I own a Bolero. It is a wonderful piece of machinery. Unlike some of the participants on this forum, I am not looking for Airbags or ABS. But it is the little things like HVAC, fold-able middle seats, height adjustable steering, rear windscreen wash and wipe, and an optional 4WD in BS IV that would totally make it kill the competition. I suppose the M&M guys are too worried about Bolero eating into the sales of Scorpio.

PS: I am happy with the engine, even the DI one. I am not complaining about sluggish pick-up or extreme noise. Can't M&M give those basic things I mentioned above that even sub 6 lac hatches have?
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To me the Limited Edition is a load of bull. But I thought its costed in the same range as the SLX. 80K more will pit it at par with the VLX and I don't think anyone in their right minds will buy it at that price.

@Lucifer: Your wait for the things in your wishlist is going to be over. Soon!
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Can we have a picture of the limited edition please? I would be happy to see some interior changes too.


for more clear pictures please visit - Mahindra Launches Bolero Special Edition

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@Lucifer: Your wait for the things in your wishlist is going to be over. Soon!
Hi Ani... Care to explain / throw in a bit more info. We'll not pester you for the source though.
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The Bolero is a tough workhorse no doubt. The 4X4 versions have been available since the day it was launched (with the XD3P engine) but the waiting time is more if one has to get the 4WD.
The Limited Edition offered now is no doubt for buyers who would like to have something upmarket, but with no contemporary features like ABS airbags and other goodies.
Having used the older 2001 Bolero 4X4 for a long time , when I was buying my Scorpio I also test drove the Bolero CRDi version that was launched then in early 2009, but was disappointed with the features and the price sticker on the thing.The discount offered was a pittance. The old workhorse, the XD3P engine was discontinued for its non compliance with the pollution norms and the DI engines were proliferating. I then opted for the Scorpio.
Goodies can be given with the Bolero but the cost of the higher versions are already in the region of the Scorpio M2Di and the LX.So if a Bolero is offered with all the safety features and more electronic gizmos, the price will touch Rs 8.5 L if not less.
As such, most of the Bolero sales come from the taxi versions with the disproportionate rear overhang, crooked roofs rising backwards, the black grille ,bumpers and the noisy DI engine so on. These can be spotted doing their duty in rural areas by the hundreds.With such a good clientele in the hinterland why would M&M bother for sales of a few hundred Boleros with the goodies?

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Wow, the Bolero looks really smart now. Changes are subtle but quite effective.
Is the snorkel real or fake?

No way its worth 80K though. This should be the 2011 Bolero Facelift at no cost increase.
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Wow, the Bolero looks really smart now. Changes are subtle but quite effective.
Is the snorkel real or fake?

No way its worth 80K though. This should be the 2011 Bolero Facelift at no cost increase.
are you talking about the black one posted on page one? that isnt the limited edition one mpower, that's the one by mahindra customization. and yeah the snorkel is real in that one.

the pic of the gold one posted on page two is the ltd edition by mahindra which is currently on sale and certainly isn't worth the addl 80k for just leather interiors and a few more minor changes/apparent upgrades.

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details please! milecruncher.

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agree completely with lucifer's comments. indeed I had prepared a very comprehensive suggestion list and shared it with M&M - of course to no avail.

also couldnt agree more with anjan - there were very similar reasons that led me to upgrade to a Scorpio when I did.

now when considering a further upgrade it looks like one has to go away from the M&M brand in order to find the levels of functionality, safety, comfort and reliability that one is seeking.

Unfortunately, there seems to be nothing available which meets the requirements at the price consideration which can be said to be fair!

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Considering that M&M do sell even their MM550 type vehicle with ABS and Airbags in certain foreign markets like South Africa and Eastern Europe etc - simply because SAFETY is a requirement there! Why do they then keep trying to fob off foolish cosmetic rubbish on the Indian consumer?
This is incorrect, which MM550 type vehicle (with ABS & Airbag) are you talking about?

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This is incorrect, which MM550 type vehicle (with ABS & Airbag) are you talking about?

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Shankar is talking about the Mahindra Thar Saar.
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Saar, Mahindra Thar sold in Europe and SA DOES NOT come with ABS, Airbag feature.

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@Lucifer: Your wait for the things in your wishlist is going to be over. Soon!
Ah!! word has got around huh?

I heard rum-ours. New look et all!!
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Ah!! word has got around huh?

I heard rum-ours. New look et all!!
The Horse (Spikey) is here, why dont we have him confirm the rum-ours . Spikey Saar please clarify.
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