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Old 29th January 2014, 12:10   #61
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Management (promotors) have nothing to do with Classifications of a car, it comes under IARC.

If you see the multiplication factor, Turbo engine is 1.4 and supercharged is 1.8. That is how i come under the 539cc and the H4 category is 4200cc and above.

As per the timing sheet put on the website there was one z4 in Karans class and the 535 was in H4 with us.
I have not blamed the promoters for it. In fact I'm not blaming anyone. I'm just saying something like this should not happen at all.

Insane roller - Maybe have designated parking areas for the different classes next year, could speed up getting the cars to the starting line and keep things more organised.

Anyway speedy - I still don't understand where you got 1.8 from. Any forced induction has a 1.4 multiplication factor. You may check the rules for this.

And the H4 category is 4000cc and above, you may check the rules and results for the classes.
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Let's not get off topic and discuss about what happened previously. We all have had issues in the past regarding one or the other thing and there's no point dragging that up.

And i do understand since if you have read my subsequent reply to insaneroller, you would see that i told him that i trusted that he had taken permissions. All i said that if they knew a few days before that the drift was to be cancelled, they should have posted it.

As far as i remember, last year they had said no burn outs where there is paint on the strip. So if it was announced this year, i thought that they must have sorted it out with the airstrip guys. Apparently NOT!
As per what you wrote in the first post, a reminder was maybe necessary. The situation maybe different, but the problem the same. Anyways we'll keep that part out.

If you did trust Insaneroller in the first place you would not have doubted or questioned him.

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I have not blamed the promoters for it. In fact I'm not blaming anyone. I'm just saying something like this should not happen at all.

Insane roller - Maybe have designated parking areas for the different classes next year, could speed up getting the cars to the starting line and keep things more organised.

Anyway speedy - I still don't understand where you got 1.8 from. Any forced induction has a 1.4 multiplication factor. You may check the rules for this.

And the H4 category is 4000cc and above, you may check the rules and results for the classes.
I agree, it was unfortunate and for the next time, it should be looked at closely by IARC.

Please see the rules form, unfortunately i never took a printout of it. turbo/supercharged multiplication factor is 1.4/1.8 respectively. i too had overlooked the 1.8 part but due to my having seen it last year as well i looked for the supercharger multiplication again. I do follow the rules and have read it a couple of times.

On the rules form the classification of H4 mentioned 4200cc and above and that is what i am going by. This and the multiplications is not on the forms you fill and submit, its on another form that not everyone sees.

The event is over and i don't see any reason to debate on the classification or multiplication factor of my car. We had a blast and ran in our class, thats all that matters.
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As per the timing sheet put on the website there was one z4 in Karans class and the 535 was in H4 with us.

In the timing sheet put up on the site, there is one z4 in your class.
Coz i had complained about the 535i myself & shifted them to the H4 & likewise the Z4s too (which were not there in the initial list), & the marshals had confirmed the Z4's are running with me and later on will be shifted to H4 when results are sorted, so on that note i had left the venue.

And lets just rest this matter now as it has been already been reported to the right authorities.

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Getting a prize came as a shocker to me and as i said i never even bothered to ask what my times were after my runs.
Which sportsman would not like to know how he performed ? I say this coz in the quote below you said you came there as a sportsman.

So if may be if someone goes to ask timing he is a less sportsman than you are ? cmon man

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Supercharged is 1.8 and turbo is 1.4 multiplication. i said if i wanted to keep the multiplication out and call the car NA, i would just say its 2995cc and be in H2 or H3. I am not complaining or appealing for anything, I'm a sportsman.
What 1.8 ? Its common for Turbo / superchargers.

Plz check the SR4W, if you do not have it here's a snapshot of the page which defines the rules of multiplication factor.

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Coz i had complained about the 535i myself & shifted them to the H4 & likewise the Z4s too (which were not there in the initial list), & the marshals had confirmed the Z4's are running with me and later on will be shifted to H4 when results are sorted, so on that note i had left the venue.

And lets just rest this matter now as it has been already been reported to the right authorities.



Which sportsman would not like to know how he performed ? I say this coz in the quote below you said you came there as a sportsman.

So if may be if someone goes to ask timing he is a less sportsman than you are ? cmon man



What 1.8 ? Its common for Turbo / superchargers.

Plz check the SR4W, if you do not have it here's a snapshot of the page which defines the rules of multiplication factor.

Attachment 1198476
Yes lets leave it to the authorities.

By sportsman i don't mean a competitive kind but as you would call a sport. Even if you take it the other way, some sportsman do a sport for the love and passion for it and not to compete. So timings and positions on the podium don't matter to them.

Its not about asking the time, its about whining about it at the wrong place. No offence to You Karan. Once the prizes are given, it is counted as final with no protest. The right thing would be instead of leaving with your prize to sit with the IARC guys and have the issue sorted there itself. I am sure you would not give your first prize to someone else if you were in the z4s place. I do sincerely hope IARC takes a note and does something about it.

Above the snapshot or below it..it does have the 1.8 factor as well. I had seen this and done the calculation and then found the 1.8 as well. In both cases i was in the H4 category, so why the big deal made out of it.
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No offence to You Karan.
No worries man.

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Yes lets leave it to the authorities.

I do sincerely hope IARC takes a note and does something about it.
Yes, lets hope for the best

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1. Drag strip for everyone
2. GS leaving the air strip
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1. Drag strip for everyone


Nice click though and can I know who was the competitor for this drag race?!

Anurag.
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We had an amazing time at the drag strip. The event was pretty well organised. Did improve a lot from the previous episode.
I still saw a lot of cars running in higher or lower categories as per the owners advantage.
There has to be a clear scrutiny to define the cc and induction method of the entered vehicle and then accordingly placed in the categories.
yes I did hear this Z4 goof up and a lot happened with the bikes too.
Also a few forced induction cars trying to run in NA classes etc.
In the bikes - M3 category, there were a few goof ups.
How can a Honda CRF250 motocross bike compete and place 2nd in an Indian category?
It went against the indian bikes.
How can a 250cc v-twin motor run against single cylinder engines? There are clear clauses as per FMSCI for cylinder classification. The organisor needs to refer to that.

We had a decent weekend with our Honda city Vtec. Let down was traction and gearing. The tyres arrived at the last hour and since there was no practise on saturday (which the oragnisor promised) we could not test the gearing or grip. The wheel diameter was not in sync with the gear ratios and hence we had a really tall gearing in comparision to what we were supposed to run. The Slicks had no grip and no matter what we tried, I could not find any grip. The best time we managed was a 14.2, 0.65 secs slower than our 13.55 secs stint from last year in the NA category. We had the wheel spinning all thru 2nd gear and it was quite a mess. After the resurfacing, I seriously feel the lack of grip. Its not at all like what it used to be,. The weather also had changed quite a bit and again running an event on top of a hill takes the toll on engine performance too. Especially NA engines. There was nearly a 10% difference in the air fuel ratio from Pune to Aamby valley.
A lot of jokers doing stupid acts kept bring up all the dust and the track was extremely dusty. The track just does not have the grip to hold slicks and there is a lot of dust at the end of the track as well. To get good time esp on an FWD car its important to have really good grip. All the loss in traction had to be made up after 2nd gear by pushing the nuts out of the engine revving till nearly 9000rpm.
Looking forward for the next one.
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Congrats guys. Real adrenaline rush! Awesome sports snaps

Never expected a Ghost on the drag strip! One of its kind.
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Some more pics from the event!

The Aston doing Donuts was a treat
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Awesome.

Re: classification issues : Since this was a FMSCI sanctioned events the rules are very clear. First provisional results are put up on official notice board. Once the provisional results are put up any effected participant has a right to protest withing 30 minutes. Only on disposal of this - one way or the other - by stewards the results can be final. But once this time window is over no protest or changes can be done.
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Looks like Lambos took a break on this event, not even one to be seen,
No show or event is complete without one of those raging bulls!!
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Looks like Lambos took a break on this event, not even one to be seen,
No show or event is complete without one of those raging bulls!!
Wasnt meant to be i guess. This time was the Ferrari, Aston, Jag, 911, GTR. Unfortunately the 2 Lambos entered developed technical snags and couldnt load up in time.
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Hi,

First off, let me thank the organisers (all of them - Elite Octane, N1, IARC as well as Aamby valley and others) for organising the event and keeping the sport alive. I understand and appreciate that it was a huge effort that went into organising the event and conducting it successfully. Hats off to the Marshals, Officials, volunteers and all involved with the conduct of the event. I am sure it is not just me but each one of the participants appreciates and thanks you guys for huge amount of effort and time that you guys have put in. Much mid-night oil would have been burnt and all concerned would have reported at unearthly hours in order to ensure that the event was conducted successfully. Much appreciated and total respect!

I was there with team-mates and spent a wonderful weekend with friends from all over the country. We had a successful weekend i.e. we got decent timings and carried home a bagful of trophies so we have every reason to be happy and we are happy with the results. I am therefore not complaining but am listing out what I thought can be done better. It is not a gripe but suggestions / constructive criticism. I mean no offence and hope that none is taken.

1. The track being an air-strip would have been wonderful but for the dust on it. I and my team-mates noted that the organisers did water the surrounding areas to keep the dust down but it did not really help. Perhaps watering more freqently might help. An alternative is to position volunteers all around to ensure that over-entusiastic individuals do not kick up dust.

2. Team members, technicians, tuners, mechanics, helpers and 2nd drivers live for the timings of each run of their vehicles. The lack of display boards / screens showing the timing as soon as the run was over was a great damper. The best experience I have had in this regard was from APMSC / Spitfire in Hyderabad who SMSed the timing of the run as soon as it was over. The SMS would come in before the return from the finish line!

Ok, asking for a SMS might be too much but surely the drivers can be given timing slips or team-members can be given the information. If Ricky Gadson can be given that information - why not competitors?

3. I, as well as others in the sport are well aware that sponsors play a crucial part in keeping the sport alive and sponsors interests have to be protected but, not at the cost of competitors and competitive runs. Giving too much time for display / demo / exhibition runs and cutting down track time for competitors kills the sport, just in a different way.

4. All of us petrolheads love super-cars and super-bikes. Exotics and imports have us drooling. We love to see them perform on a track and we also love to see them just parked esp. at a weekend dedicated to cars and bikes. A friend who lives 800km away and wanted to participate and asked on Wed was told "if you were bringing a supercar, we would have made an exception. We cannot make an exception for a stock Indian car". While it is OK to become misty-eyed at the mere mention of a Super-car / Super-bike, is it OK to have different yardsticks, a different set of rules? Let us not even go near labels like "Apartheid", "Snobbish", "starry-eyed" etc. Let us just ask - "Is this the best way to encourage the sport?"

5. Track time is precious. It was galling to see the track empty for long periods of time. Events with a similar number of entries or more, have managed to do all their runs as well as give practice runs to ALL participants. If there were fewer entries all or some categories esp. classes like 'Unrestricted", "Open", "Pro-Stock" and "Forced-Induction" were given a second practice run. At Valley Run - Jan 2014, though the line-up and staging was done at a quick pace, the next classes were not called quickly enough into the 'holding area' for the pre-run scrutiny which translated into a huge time-lag between the runs of different categories esp. on Saturday. Besides being frustrating for participants, it is boring for spectators, it is no fun to stare at an empty track!

All Indian cars were scheduled to run on Saturday and finish their practice as well as Final runs on Saturday. Unfortunately, Indian cars did not get even one run on Saturday and ran only on Sunday (without any practice runs). If only track time was managed better, all of the runs scheduled for Saturday would have been completed on Saturday.

6. The level of communication from the organisers to competitors was pathetic to say the least. Indian cars were required to report for scrutiny by Saturday morning. No scrutiny took place at the appointed time(s). The organisers however made the effort of walking to each car and completing the scrutiny at the pits / paddock instead of calling the cars for scrutiny. That was a nice gesture and much appreciated by all competitors and crew.

After scrutiny was over, the drivers were left wondering when they would run. In the evening, as the Sun sank lower, some of the drivers went and asked the officials about the fate of the runs for the cars and were politely and apologetically told that cars would run only on the next day i.e. Sunday. Some of the car guys left immediately but others hung on waiting for an official announcement that never came and left only when the MC announced that the day's proceedings were closed.

Many participants had spent sleepless nights either preparing their cars or driving to the event from as much 900 kilometers away. Some had booked accommodation only till Saturday as they expected to finish their runs by Sat evening. A little announcement indicating which classes will run on that day and which will not would have helped competitors get some much needed rest.

7. Practice runs - these are critical and crucial for drivers / riders esp in categories that are not street legal. Even for classes like "Street-Stock" practice runs on the track are important for drivers to understand the Christmas tree, the track and to practice at least one launch, after all launching on public roads is not exactly desirable. After Saturday's fiasco, some of us were prescient enough to anticipate that practice runs for (Indian) cars would be cancelled. We were proved both correct and wrong. On Sunday drivers were told that "Practice Runs" were over for all categories of Indian Cars. Funnily, not one of the drivers were informed about the new schedule and that practice would be held early in the morning. No announcement was made before close of proceedings on Saturday, neither was a notice put up on the notice board. Not one of the drivers I met had received a SMS or e-mail informing them about the schedule for the practice runs (though the organisers/officials had both e-mail IDs as well as mobile numbers). Now, the rules and regulations do not guarantee a practice run and say participants MAY be given a practice run. That is perfectly acceptable. However, it is in the interest of the sport that participants be given a practice run. What is NOT acceptable is that the drivers are told that they missed the bus when the new schedule was not communicated to the drivers. No one would demur (or have cause for demur) if it was announced practice runs stand cancelled. Please do not try to shift the blame to the participants.


8. The Supplementary Regulations (SRs) were very clear and set out the parameters for every class, the permitted modifications & permutations. In fact they were pretty much the same as in other drag racing events, so most participants are well acquainted with the categories/classes. Unfortunately, the organisers / officials seemed to be unfamiliar about the SRs and this caused much confusion and heart-burn. A Gypsy running a different engine with a turbo in "Pro-Stock above 2050 cc" (B5) is a case in point, a Gypsy with a turbo engine does not fit within the definition / permitted modifications for the class and would rightly have gone into the "Forced Induction" class. Yes, it is possible for a car to run in Pro-Stock (with NOS disconnected), Forced Induction (Using NOS), Indian Open and Unrestricted.


9. For the competitors, it matters little in whose jurisdiction a particular matter lies. Whether it is IARC or Elite or N1 or Aamby, it really does not matter. As far as all 3rd parties are concerned (including participants, competitors and spectators) all the organisers are in it together as partners (in a JV) and passing the buck does nothing for the image of the team of organisers. If some of them are not members here or not following the thread, please inform them.


Yes, I know I have gone on for a long time but, it is not a rant. I write, not to complain or whine but in the genuine hope of helping keep the sport alive and having better events in the future.

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