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Old 15th June 2007, 17:45   #16
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Ideally u need a 2 km straight 250 mt wide, with a little bit of other areas, so a 100 acres plot with a good lenght should be good. 30/50 kms from main urban city!! so many people have these stretches, just needs to be developed at a cost of 10 crores, for the Track. and the rest will come and developed from revenue and sponsers!!!
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You wouldnt want to use concrete....other than having the bump in between slabs, it has a lower friction co-efficient than asphalt, even with the mandatory grooves. Good for tyres, but not good for lap times or when it rains.
Also, concrete might be more expensive.

45 acres was just a guess by eyeballing the map and its scale....but it shouldnt be more than 100 acres in any case.


As for the topography..i agree with Mpower. The ups and downs are what add character...just look at Willow springs. Its always more challenging to have cambered and off-cambered corners: it will give the suspension engineers a good workout.

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Old 15th June 2007, 21:24   #18
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Did a little more research on few other tracks, one of them my fav driving race school which would be an ideal track to replicate for first shot..

Spring Moutain Motorsports near Vegas it come out to be about 140 acres

Willow Springs near LA would need about 375+ acres but its a much bigger complex..

Even though this is hypothetical, i would like to dream to one day be involved in a project like this..

I even have a location in mind and have some connections in that area since it would require farmer's lands which can be difficult to get. The place is easily approachable from delhi.

Thanks for the all insight everyone provided into road building and its issues with the land requirements...

tsk had a good point and could kick start a track development but it would require more than 3 cr of investment to do this, it would be more like 7-10 cr if done right or even more, i am sure there are things i am not looking into yet which is why i posted here to get more and more insight into a project like this..

Obviously this is a dream project and it might materialize and might not, thats the best part about dreaming, if the dream comes true, well thats just great but if they dont well thats how it was meant to be..

I think i might be able to speak to my dad about getting more info from the guys who are building the highway in delhi, i think I even met the owner one time, i am forgetting his name..

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If you want to make a road as good as GQ, shave of 50% of the cost. The cost is always double because it also includes bribes and other "hidden expenditure".
Well, GQ tenders were one thing which was mostly bribe free It really costs 3-5 cr to lay an international quality road. If you bribe, it would still cost the same but only that the quality of road goes down. You cannot win a tender by quoting high prices.

Anyway, how do race tracks compare with highways, construction and maintainance wise?

1. Race tracks are more maintainance intensive than freeways (weather related).
2. Freeways need upto a feet thick concrete bed before asphalt top is laid, what about race tracks?
3. Fit and finish of race tracks compared to highways?
4. Support infra for race tracks and safety features.
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Some info on an existing track:

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Built on what was Kari's micro light aircraft factory, the Speedway, built over 49 acres, has a 2.10-km racing circuit (built to FIA's F-3 specifications, awaiting certification) and two go-kart circuits of 1.20-km and 800 mts length (meeting CIK's Grade A and Grade B specifications, awaiting certification).
The racetrack has nine corners in all. The Speedway will also cater to two-wheelers. The circuit was put together in three months and 15 days, which is probably a record of sorts.
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Some info on an existing track:
Which race track is this, but i agree, there is a lot more involved in maintaining a race track than just building it..

Like I said before even though this is a hypothetical scenario right now, me and my friend are considering it and this is the very early phase of just getting info and building the possibility and our confidence in that it can be done...i would like to know more info if people have or if they think they could possibly contribute in some manner to this project in any stage..
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Its Kari motor speedway in coimbatore

Look here http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/motor-...e-bhpians.html
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Thanks I would be interested in seeing a google maps on the coimbatore speedwat, is that the only one of its kind in india? May be it would do some good to find out who owns and runs this track..

I did a little more research on laguna seca in CA and it seemed to have been build in 1957 for the price of 1.5m, seems expensive but its an extremely awesome track and long, but at the same time its US we are talking about its very expensive, according inflation history thats 10.5 mil USD in todays money, doing some correcting it would mean 2-3 mil USD in india which would mean about 8-12 cr according to my guesstimate...This particular track seems to be less than half of willow springs size in terms of developed area @ approx 150-170 acres where as willow was about 375ish..

I know its not interesting but thought will keep this thread updated..

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1day, the maps on google are not available for the Kari Motor Speedway. Its under the blur region. However, I do have the circuit layout. Shall post them once I get back to bangalore.

And the track is owned by B.Vijaykumar & Co. Owner of LG.Motorsports and he is the man responsible for building the single seater's that are used for races.
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1day, the maps on google are not available for the Kari Motor Speedway. Its under the blur region. However, I do have the circuit layout. Shall post them once I get back to bangalore.

And the track is owned by B.Vijaykumar & Co. Owner of LG.Motorsports and he is the man responsible for building the single seater's that are used for races.
Thanks, that would be great..

LG Motorsports, you mean The LG Motorsports who race the vettes in SCCA Pro Racing SPEED World-Challenge GT or there is a different LG Motorsports in india as well?

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Did a little research and found more info on Mr. Vijaykumar, pretty cool, I will keep him in mind, thanks for the info..

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Old 17th June 2007, 23:21   #27
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So there are 2 race tracks in india and thats it?

The chennai one looks really nice..how big is it..any detail on how they go about maintaining the place and what are track fees and what events they organize and do they have a hospital around or some medical staff etc etc..

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So there are 2 race tracks in india and thats it?

The chennai one looks really nice..how big is it..any detail on how they go about maintaining the place and what are track fees and what events they organize and do they have a hospital around or some medical staff etc etc..

Thanks doc
Unfortunately YES ! There are only two tracks in India.

The Chennai one is really nice and challenging. And long. Farhan or sawan must be able to give us the exact figures on the length of the track, but I can vouch that the long loop at MMST is quite long.

I guess, the TRUST is responsible for maintaining the track and the track is relayed frequently. There used to be a major problem with the kerbs at Chennai as they were not properly designed. I hear there are changes being made as we speak. The run off areas are ideal for cars, though they might be a little too bumpy for bikes.

Among the events that are hosted are:

1. Saloon Series - Esteem Class & soon to be introduced 1650 class.
2. Single Seaters - FLGB's (swift, hyundai & chevy).
3. Indian & Superbike Series.
4. Track days.

Apart from these events the track is often rented by the local team for testing or even the general public is allowed to rent out the track and take your daily driven cars to track. Except that at Kari, you need to have a roll cage.

Yes, there is a medical centre available at MMST. However the doctors and an ambulance are invited from a closeby hospital which has good facilities.
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The Long loop at chennai is 3.7 km long and the track is a proper driver's track. But it isnt as safe as the coimbatore trackin the sense that a crash and the far section would not be visible from the pits. But there are good run off areas, but they are all too bumpy for bikes! The Coimbatore track still has (or had) a few sections with no tyre wall.

As for medical staff, they are only available during races, official practice for the races and track days.
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Smile Starting a dirt track/practice track

What are the requirements to start a practice track? can someone guide me in this regard and let me know all that goes with the planning?

I own a small piece of land where some friends are interested in practising regularly. In order to say 'yes' I wanna be prepared with the necessary details. please help/advice.

would like to discuss:
permissions
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track designs
memberships/motorsports associations etc
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