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Old 2nd November 2007, 23:03   #106
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My wishlist for next track day:
1. Transponders
2. Tyre pressure gauges and air compressors.

doomsday: Original Enkeis, no doubt. X-Rayed, as I mentioned, no issues with the rim either. Also, you will see a lot of stock alloys, and even steel rims, being used in INRC.

Shriram, if we get sponsors for the next event (I already have people approaching me), will the track rental also go up?

I think the anticlockwise issue was discussed before, and decided as unfeasible. The straight will then end in a right-hander, and there will be no provision for a bus-stop style chicane. Ahead will be a concrete wall, which you will approach at over 160 kmph.
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Old 2nd November 2007, 23:52   #107
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Akshay, Rahul

We have had a great track day, and a better one than the last time (if I can say so, based on the number of participants, the cars and time spent on track). Now, I feel we have created an interest amongst quiet a few enthusiasts that are going to be present on the future track days, who I am sure are checking out this thread. Let us not make this a mud-slinging one.
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Shall we get back to the topic please?
agree with quicksilver, we all had a blast and it was great to get back into the carnut! fold - think i speak on behalf of mr. vidyp, whatsfear, arjun and myself. dont beat yourself up on whats missing - we'll chip in to make it better - just get more like minded folks in the next time - cheers

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Ok coming back to the events on track, I was very impressed with the way Shasvi drove and Sriram. Sriram, Harrie could you send an invite to Shasvi to join TBHP? Also is the suspension on the blue swift stock?
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sorry rahul the guys need a lot more experience before getting into single seaters - its just not the same - would recommend step by step

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I think the anticlockwise issue was discussed before, and decided as unfeasible. The straight will then end in a right-hander, and there will be no provision for a bus-stop style chicane. Ahead will be a concrete wall, which you will approach at over 160 kmph.
why should the bus stop chicane disappear and so what if the straight ends in a rt hander - am i missing the point

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doomsday: Original Enkeis, no doubt. X-Rayed, as I mentioned, no issues with the rim either.
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I know I am blind, and I was not wearing my spectacles either but I think I saw that the golden rim had a crack when it was placed in Chirag's car. Did you by any chance miss out on noticing the crack?
This is why the following statement was included. Since I was not personally present while this happened.

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Considering what Rahul is saying is true, the alloy in question will have to suffer a lot of impact of unfanthomable degree, or a history of multiple bad impacts. All this, of course, assuming that they were indeed "original" Enkeis and brought brand new or having a known history in case of being bought second-hand.
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Also, you will see a lot of stock alloys, and even steel rims, being used in INRC.
What I meant while most of the other cars in the INRC run on aftermarket alloys or rims, the OHCs used to run on stock alloys. The teams would be knowing that the alloys were fit to take that kind of abuse and hence did not need a aftermarket replacement.
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sorry rahul the guys need a lot more experience before getting into single seaters - its just not the same - would recommend step by step
I agree. Single seaters is a totally different ball game. But I know of quite a lot of people who came to the track day who can and have handled Fissme's, LGB Swift's & Hyundai's earlier at MMST quite successfully. The only motive for this is to get some good drivers to try out these cars who are hesitant to get their own on track. And for those like me who love driving single seaters more than our road cars.

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why should the bus stop chicane disappear and so what if the straight ends in a rt hander - am i missing the point
Last I remember, Robin and myself came up with this. I think its pretty safe.

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Ok. So you want to run in the opposite direction. And need a way to slow them down.

An S bend is no good for that. You would need to build an actual chicane using tyre barriers. Place it between 100-200 meters before the corner. And tight. Basically, a driver should not be able to think he can cut the corner.

Kinda like this:

OOOOOO_________


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The "O" are tyres. the ______ is the track.
Let me know what you think about it.
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@ Rahul - The blue swift is running busted stock suspensions. Dunnno if it was busted after the track day or before. But its busted and its stock.

Regarding getting the sponsors, I think we would lose the charm of the track day if the organizing part is taken care of by some coporates.

Pleaaaaaaaaaaase make sure the organizing is still being done by some of us only with the sponsors just throwing in some money.

Officially, coming from the owner of the rims

The rims are NOT cracked. There is but scratches on it. Badly scratched on the inside after the tire punctured. The rims are x-rayed and being painted as we speak of.

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Regarding getting the sponsors, I think we would lose the charm of the track day if the organizing part is taken care of by some coporates.
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I agree 100 % we will loose flexibility in organising and more over it becomes corporate track day!!
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Shriram, how much does it cost to put up a poster for 3 days? Just in case, we want to do it, in Bangalore, next time.
We had to pay Rs.200 per day but CCD had three branches in town, so we paid a total of 200 X 3 X 3 days = Rs.1800

Wish we had done it earlier, with a local number because the guys at CCD said there were quiet a few enquiries.

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Yes, we can do much better next time. Since I gripped about the lack of accomodation, I can volunteer to make the 2Rs std calls, next time, with help from Shriram, of course!
No issues pal... just an advance notice would do.

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I agree 100 % we will loose flexibility in organising and more over it becomes corporate track day!!
Well my friend, if you want to scale to the next level, there is only one way of doing it. If you really want to bring in more people and create interest then we need sponsors. I don't see any major issues with the organizing part... in fact it should only get better. Surely, the MRF-MAI Touring Car championship was good?

In my opinion, getting as many enthusiasts as possible and conducting everything in an orderly manner is what matter most, and if we can achieve that with sponsorships, then why not?

If you are worried about commercialising the sport, then you have a very valid cause for concern, but I don't think we are at that level yet....


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Shriram, if we get sponsors for the next event (I already have people approaching me), will the track rental also go up?
Ahshay, why should it matter? As long as the price to be paid per-car is kept low, I don't see why we should be thinking about this.
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Sriram, motorsports in order to reach the masses has to be at the grass root levels. Like how track days are now. Agreed there are lots left to be desired.

IMHO all we need to do is

1. Arrange for f&b on the track

2. Arrange for a mech / tirewalla just in case. Can be done without also

3. Transponders to time ppl who are very serious about it. I for one don't give a damm. This way only those who want timings get it and pay for it.

4. Leave acco to the discretion of the participants. Some will want 5 star bookings while some will look for bed & breakfast.

If the sponsors can pool in for any of the above mentione and / or pbly give stickers to be put on the car it'll be great.

Also the only enforcements should be regarding very rash driving / potential danger etc., Kids want to have fun. they want to race against each other and go back to ccd the next day and talk about it. These kids are whom we are trying to get in.

If because its corporate snsored any of these is affected / not allowed the track day loses its charm.

Let kids be kids. If the adults want to supervise and rule with a iron hand then....

And also remember everytime it was politics that killed the sport. not lack of talent or money.....
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If you are worried about commercialising the sport, then you have a very valid cause for concern, but I don't think we are at that level yet....
I am worried about commercialization of "track days"..Not that i am not open for sponsorships and bringing down the cost of track days.. My worry is that if big corporates come in it may no longer be track days. It may become a track race event .. a race etc.. What we are trying to do here is foster public interest in fun track events, the spirit of driving for fun, man and his machine..and not racing each other..various championships are there for racing alone. May be track days can be stepping stone for race days.. But if some one really wishes to take track day event s to masses with the same intent its really a big plus. More over,track days are really informal meets..nothing serious..just to have fun on track. These are just my thoughts..

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Also the only enforcements should be regarding very rash driving / potential danger etc., Kids want to have fun. they want to race against each other and go back to ccd the next day and talk about it. These kids are whom we are trying to get in.

If because its corporate snsored any of these is affected / not allowed the track day loses its charm.

Let kids be kids. If the adults want to supervise and rule with a iron hand then....
harrie ,the only enforcement will be in the interests of safety - remember we're running without roll cages - any mishap will have the governing bodies put the squeeze on the track owner, organizers and conducting clubs - now that will restrict future participation

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harrie ,the only enforcement will be in the interests of safety - remember we're running without roll cages - any mishap will have the governing bodies put the squeeze on the track owner, organizers and conducting clubs - now that will restrict future participation


My point is that lets just make sure we tread that line between caution and fun so that we get the newbies on to the track more.

Also let the event management be at the hands of entusiasts only so that politics doesnt rear its head at the trackdays.
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My point is that lets just make sure we tread that line between caution and fun so that we get the newbies on to the track more.

Also let the event management be at the hands of entusiasts only so that politics doesnt rear its head at the trackdays.
Point well taken, but how does a rookie know where the line is? That is exactly why a few of the more experienced guys were there to offer advice, though few were interested in asking for it.

Personally I felt that lot of basic driving skills need to be learned, before looking at times. What I saw on the forum is talk about times clocked. I think the first thing to learn to do is consistent times, then look at upping the pace and improving the times.

So we ought to get into single seaters with a fair degree of caution, because we do not want enthusiasm to be quickly changed to fear

My 2cents
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Personally I felt that lot of basic driving skills need to be learned, before looking at times. What I saw on the forum is talk about times clocked. I think the first thing to learn to do is consistent times, then look at upping the pace and improving the times.

So we ought to get into single seaters with a fair degree of caution, because we do not want enthusiasm to be quickly changed to fear

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Well said, Gopi, track days are a contuous learning process, we need to be practicing more frequently before talking times etc.
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What I saw on the forum is talk about times clocked. I think the first thing to learn to do is consistent times, then look at upping the pace and improving the times.
Very true. The fastest guy in qualifying isn't always the one who wins races, but if you can do both, nothing like it.

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agree with quicksilver, we all had a blast and it was great to get back into the carnut! fold - think i speak on behalf of mr. vidyp, whatsfear, arjun and myself. dont beat yourself up on whats missing - we'll chip in to make it better - just get more like minded folks in the next time - cheers
Amen! to that 100%
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