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Old 6th March 2008, 11:16   #301
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What struck me as hilarious was how every half-penny Indian tuner or whatever they call themselves insisted on huge-arse banners across every car they so much as sneezed at
Looks like "Tuning" (in the widest sense of its meaning) is becoming a cut throat business in India.. Which is good for the customer.. albeit the informed customer.
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Old 6th March 2008, 11:41   #302
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Rocam - Liked the way your car responded under boost !! You might need to spend more time on calibration though..
You got it right Kartik. being a rookie in the tuner/tuning scene i was bit afraid since it was my first ever independent setup and tune of standalone hence was running very conservative & things will improve as i get more hands on experience and confidence, probably a dyno tuning will make a lot of difference. But What i have achieved is the reliability part, the car runs reliable as hell as if its done from the factory,now only thing to do now is to make it a bit more faster with a Tune. the Bombay s.r was just a small trailer (Pickcher abhi Baaki hai...)
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Well missed all the fun and the bore I guess sitting in the US, hope to see some events held in Bangalore, heard roumers there would be two.... Looking forward to head back home.......... Wan to personally see how many claims are going to be in the real world for everyone who is speaking about the specs they claim...
Well from the SR07 experince I had, was a ok one and reguarding Mclaren1885's car I was the one who drove it on the drag-strip the fisrt run was fine except I din't launch off too well, and the second one the car was battered and bruised even before we got to the drag strip, with a blown head gasket and a bent valve(over heating the fan had to be directed) the car barely made it back to our shipping truck before it was in any state to drive, but i don't recall it having a Custom camshaft and valve springs before bombay and it ran a comp of 11:1, it even had a custom suspension set up and upgraded wheels with the other list of mods mentioned, but as luck played with us the engine was only running on 3 cylinders for the final run wit the car completely dying off just before the finish line and costing before i could bring it back to life.
Had to be towed to the shipping truck... So the time set was with a car that was not running the way it was tuned to run.... But i completely agree that in th e SR06-Bangalore, Mclaren1885's car did a consistent mid 16's run with
  • Porting & Polishing.
  • Custom Drag Spec 4x1 Headers.
  • Custom freeflow and exhaust.
  • K & N Air Filter Conical.
Again driven by v1p3r, and and my baleno clocking a 16.87 with custom suspension and K&N conical filter. Both the car were stripped of all the seats and extra weight.

Nice going there guys and congrats th wolf, viper ford rocam and the others who made it in the top and for everyone else go ahead and try it with all your passion the next time, Oh yes the GSs has kept me intrested that time is a really good on for the condition the event was run on, and congrats to GS for setting a time that will take some time in breaking and that is a lovely bunch of rides that were out there this time.....

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Old 6th March 2008, 12:57   #304
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Dear Shantanu. IIRC, Mclaren's Baleno was running
Porting & Polishing.
Custom Drag Spec 4x1 Headers.
Custom freeflow and exhaust.
K & N Air Filter Conical.
Custom High Compression 76mm Pistons.
Forged Crank & Conrods.
Fuel Pressure Regulator.
Short Ratio Gearbox.
Exedy Stage II Clutch.
Custom camshaft and valve springs.
First oversize (previous setup) : 76 x 90 mm.
Compression Ratio: 11.3 : 1
125 bhp atleast (tuner claimed).
The 16.683 sec Mumbai Baleno belongs to a very close friend of mine. And from what I know, he's just running headers and conical filter.
Whats your point? Irrespective of what mods were done to the cars, 16.6 is still a slow time isn't it? I can't run my stock vtec, come last place with a ET of 17secs and then argue saying that my car didn't have any mods so i should be given some slack....it just doesn't work that way.

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Shan2nu, according to you, Wolf had done 16.5 in Blore with just basic mods. If that's true then what other mods have been done to shave off more than a second in the street stock category.
Ask the owner himself, he'l definately tell you if he wants to.

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Mclaren was running high compression pistons, diff rods(basically a stroker kit), exhaust, port, polish fpr etc etc all of which are not allowed in street stock. What he was not running was a stand alone.
Even after knowing these things, why didn't yo'l protest? I feel that the top 3 cars/bikes in every category (with mod limits) should go through a mandatory scrutiny, irrespective of whether anyone protests or not. Thats the only way to stop people from using illegal methods of modification.

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I feel that the top 3 cars/bikes in every category (with mod limits) should go through a mandatory scrutiny, irrespective of whether anyone protests or not.
Thats a very interesting idea.

As mentioned (and totally understandable) given the volume of entrants, manpower available and time constraints - scrutiny was a joke.

With this system, more time can be spent checking out fewer cars in more detail, and it will put an end to some of the post-loss whining.

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Old 6th March 2008, 13:15   #306
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As mentioned (and totally understandable) given the volume of entrants, manpower available and time constraints - scrutiny was a joke.

With this system, more time can be spent checking out fewer cars in more detail, and it will put an end to some of the post-loss whining.
Exactly, there is no need to check each and every vehicle. Let them run with whatever mods they want. They can always be disqualified during the post drag scrutiny.

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Shan2nu, according to you, Wolf had done 16.5 in Blore with just basic mods. If that's true then what other mods have been done to shave off more than a second in the street stock category.
LOLzz...if you were so inquisitive why did u not put the money where your mouth is as u preach yourself???

Dude, just want to let you know that there was no ABSOLUTE rule for what could be done and what cannot in the rule book hence it all went on common sense and being in this scene for more than half a decade I could exercise my common sense better than most of us FYI.

Street stock in my opinion is a street legal car
1) Without external body weight reduction
2) Without foreign parts inside the engine and gearbox
3) Without OE aspiration changes.
4) Without race tyres.

While I say that; Fuel, intake/exhaust, internal weight reduction, suspension setting is free.

If you wana debate beyond this I think you need to put down laid down rules on the table else this is my last post on this!!!

Also, you guys participated in categories above your CC, whats with that? If I had run my car in the 1650cc to 2L streetstock I wouldve decimated the competition anyways!

One more think, how do you expect NA cars to go against TC'd and Nitrous'd cars which is allowed in prostock???!!! Ridiculous!!!

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@rdkarthik: I was not goofing off but was in a critical financial situation that wouldnt even allow me to get beyond where I got and it is ok, trust me there is a next time and i wont dissappoint. As far I know idid manage to better my timing from last year but still have a long way to go.

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LOLzz...if you were so inquisitive why did u not put the money where your mouth is as u preach yourself???

Dude, just want to let you know that there was no ABSOLUTE rule for what could be done and what cannot in the rule book hence it all went on common sense and being in this scene for more than half a decade I could excercise my common sense better than most of us FYI.

Street stock in my opinion is a NA car
1) Without external body weight reduction
2) Without foreign parts inside the engine and gearbox
3) Without OE aspiration changes.
4) Without race tyres.

While I say that; Fuel, intake/exhaust, internal weight reduction, suspension setting is free.

If you wanat debate beyond this I think you need to put down laid down rules on the table else this is my last post on this!!!
Chill dude. I didn't mean to question you or criticize you. Even I know all the rules and am aware that in a car like the Vtec, a lot can be achieved by Fuel, intake/exhaust, internal weight reduction and suspension setting. All i wanted to know was the level of these tunes. Cause it has always baffled me as to how two cars with same levels of tune can perform so differently. Maybe it might help us with our cars too. My only argument was with the statement that 16.6 was too slow for a Baleno, whereas time and again Shan2nu has himself said that Mclaren's Baleno was doing mid 16s. Cause according to me, 16.6 is not such a bad time for stock Baleno with just headers and filter.
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Chill dude. I didn't mean to question you or criticize you. Even I know all the rules and am aware that in a car like the Vtec, a lot can be achieved by Fuel, intake/exhaust, internal weight reduction and suspension setting. All i wanted to know was the level of these tunes. Cause it has always baffled me as to how two cars with same levels of tune can perform so differently. Maybe it might help us with our cars too. My only argument was with the statement that 16.6 was too slow for a Baleno, whereas time and again Shan2nu has himself said that Mclaren's Baleno was doing mid 16s. Cause according to me, 16.6 is not such a bad time for stock Baleno with just headers and filter.

I have stressed on one point time and time again on this forum, its not what you do but its how you do. Let me explain, there are several cars with exactly similar mods but why is one car the fastest among all? Have you ever tried figuring out why that is? Whats that X factor that makes that one car beat the rest?! Well, its taken me ages to learn that, play by the rules and still be better than some. On top of that Race Dynamics, my tuning team is one of the best out there with roots upto INRC and track racing. Tomorrow some one might come and beat me, u never know and as long as he is playing by the rules I would respect more than speculate!

Balenos doing mid 16's with bolt on mods is decent considering I did 16.5sec in blore in 2006 with similar mods.

Karthik, Mclaren, Pawan, Memo etc: Thanks guys!

Karthik: Congratulations to you too for all your wins, it wouldnt have been possible for me without you guys! Thanks...

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@rdkarthik: I was not goofing off but was in a critical financial situation that wouldnt even allow me to get beyond where I got and it is ok, trust me there is a next time and i wont dissappoint. As far I know idid manage to better my timing from last year but still have a long way to go.
We know whats what so relax, wonder when you will show to the world what we have seen behind the scenes??!!
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On top of that Race Dynamics, my tuning team is one of the best out there with roots upto INRC and track racing.
I can vouch for that. karthik is a genius. Saw the way he worked on my car. And he's a gem of a person. Whenever I had a problem, he was there in a flash. hats off to him. Unluckily, my standalone conked off the morning of SR due to some faulty wiring by the installer. Karthik tried his best to save me but it was not to be. Well, next year, after some more R&D on my car, hope Karthik can place me up there.
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I feel that the top 3 cars/bikes in every category (with mod limits) should go through a mandatory scrutiny, irrespective of whether anyone protests or not. Thats the only way to stop people from using illegal methods of modification.
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Ya, I was under the impression that this is the order of the day. An MAI official told me that the top three cars would undergo a scrutiny and then I was shocked to see overbored cars running in the street stock class wherein idiots like myself were wasting time pondering over the so called rules and worrying about swapping ported polished heads with stock ones. See what happened, the others ran circles round us, making us look like a bunch of nincompoops.
Anyways im not complaining as i was here for the fun and experience and it was good. But one should either implement rules laid down or not have rules at all. Lastly the rules should not be bent for anyone and i mean anyone. If we can stress this point i think Autocar will be very careful about the next speed run and its organisation. i mean if the participation levels go down, they will have to rethink their so called strategy, if one exists.
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BTW, there really is a Gautam Sachdev/Sachdeva. He's a racer type from Mumbai. Maybe KS or someone can tell us which team he represents.
Yes,there is a gautam sachdeva from mumbai.He is the guy from Carmordernize.
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I can vouch for that. karthik is a genius. Saw the way he worked on my car. And he's a gem of a person.
We love Karthik.cheers:
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