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Old 6th March 2008, 15:03   #316
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Im one of those guys who encouraged Karthik during early days of Race Dynamics by giving my vtec to him for testing, base map reference etc and Im so glad its come so so far as a company. Its become everyones ECU company today

Last I heard from someone that Race Dynamics had 14 podium finishes this time ranging from 1.3 to 1.6l catagories but the best was 1st, 2nd and 3rd places in Indian open were Race Dynamics tuned. Great news!!!

Good going Karthik, Sanjay...

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Old 6th March 2008, 15:09   #317
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Shan2nu,

Mclaren diff rods(basically a stroker kit), . What he was not running was a stand alone.

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well he was not running a stroker kit but a de stroker kit which brings down the cc.

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Dear Shantanu. IIRC, Mclaren's Baleno was running
  • Porting & Polishing.
  • Custom Drag Spec 4x1 Headers.
  • Custom freeflow and exhaust.
  • K & N Air Filter Conical.
  • Custom High Compression 76mm Pistons.
  • Forged Crank & Conrods.
  • Fuel Pressure Regulator.
  • Short Ratio Gearbox.
  • Exedy Stage II Clutch.
  • Custom camshaft and valve springs.
  • First oversize (previous setup) : 76 x 90 mm.
  • Compression Ratio: 11.3 : 1
  • 125 bhp atleast (tuner claimed).
The 16.683 sec Mumbai Baleno belongs to a very close friend of mine. And from what I know, he's just running headers and conical filter.
he did that with 3 cylinders which is almost a blown engine.
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Old 6th March 2008, 16:58   #318
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Even after knowing these things, why didn't yo'l protest? I feel that the top 3 cars/bikes in every category (with mod limits) should go through a mandatory scrutiny, irrespective of whether anyone protests or not. Thats the only way to stop people from using illegal methods of modification.

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Hi,

I got to know what he was running only few weeks after the event was over. In any case it did not affect me or my standings so there was no need to protest. Also we are referring to last years event where the rules and categories were different. Lets limit this discussion to Speed Run 2008, its rules & categories.

I agree and support your idea on the compulsory scrutiny of the top 3 cars.

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Old 6th March 2008, 17:04   #319
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well he was not running a stroker kit but a de stroker kit which brings down the cc..
What do u mean not a stroker kit bt a stroker kit?? irrespective of what the dimensions are its still a stroker if you know what stokers are!



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he did that with 3 cylinders which is almost a blown engine.
Everyone has some problem or other each time man, hehe Ive been hearing the 3cylinder theory since last 1 year, this time prolly 4 millionth time

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What do u mean not a stroker kit bt a stroker kit?? irrespective of what the dimensions are its still a stroker if you know what stokers are!
ah my bad. what i wanted to mean was running under cc and not over 1600..

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ah my bad. what i wanted to mean was running under cc and not over 1600..
Huh? Why would anyone do that? Why would you run under cc?
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Wow. Looks like i set off a bomb or something 3pages ago this morning.

Looking at all this IAM SURE NOBODY IS GOING TO HAVE THE TIME even in SPEED RUN 2020 to scrutinize any cars. So lets forget about it.

Street stock category in all should be BANNED. Cause atleast 40% of People in the Street-Stock category claimed to be running stock but were absolutely nowhere close to the rules of stock.

The mods mentioned below are not to point out at a single person... Just used for mentioning purposes.
Porting & Polishing.
Custom Drag Spec 4x1 Headers.
Custom freeflow and exhaust.
K & N Air Filter Conical.
Custom High Compression 76mm Pistons.
Forged Crank & Conrods.
Fuel Pressure Regulator.
Short Ratio Gearbox.
Exedy Stage II Clutch.
Custom camshaft and valve springs.
First oversize (previous setup) : 76 x 90 mm.
Compression Ratio: 11.3 : 1
125 bhp atleast (tuner claimed).

Iam sure these kind of mods are not even going to turn anyones heads in the street stock category in the future also. So Organizers of Autocar can do us a favour and put an end to the stock category.

Cause iam sure by now most PPL are thinking " OK so next speed run i will bore above my cc limit. cam's, P&P etc and wont get caught"
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why dont we bunch of people make classification of cars which justifies the category & recommend that to Autocar. The last i knew the S.R regulations were changed thrice just before the day of Speedrun and not many people knew about it.

I.m.o the regulation should be declared for next year at the end of current S.R event so people can prepare their cars accordingly, but the regulations should be firm & should not be changed at last moment.
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Gogi, I don't know if you have seen the block of a G16B. The pistons at TDC are actually below deck height. The forged pistons, crank and conrods I used made the pistons stick out 2.5mm ABOVE deck height at TDC. And I was running double head gaskets. I would request you to look up on how cc of a engine varies with deck height or with taller pistons and conrods and you will get your answer pawan is trying to make. I am real bad at this tech geek. I hope Shan or Jeetu or someone here will be able to explain it better.
Rahul, you seem to have got me wrong.
Yes I have seen what a G16B block looks like and also understand the relation of cc to deck height. What i could not understand from Pavan's statement is that why would one (it was a general statement not directed at you) go through all this forged piston, conrod and crank stuff only to run under cc? It didnt make sense to me but if this question is going to be taken in the wrong way, I dont even want to know.
My intentions were certainly not to hurt or heckle at anyone.
I think its about time you shed your general bitterness, whomsoever it may have been directed at. It is making you into a different and not very pleasant person.

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I would like to quote something which I heard from a person who I respect!! " When the lights start (christmas tree) the Bull$hit stops"

If this is the case then I can vouch for 1 thing! had Wolf been given a second chance or even for that matter and opportunity to swap his battery with mine or with another one! after the practise run as his battery went almost Kaput..he would have cracked a 15 sec! flat!

But we beleive in showing what we can do when we have to do it!! and leave the opponent decimated rather than giving excuses of what went wrong and what could have happened..

What's there in saying!! Heck! If I had a Bugatti Veyron I would have decimated all! lol

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Pawan,

I may not be as knowledgeable as you but it does not take a genius to figure out that the car was running on all 4 cylinders, Maybe there was a loss of compression in a cylinder but a car running on 3 cylinders is something else. I would love to see a 4 cylinder car run on 3 cylinders and still clock those times.

Its very easy to check that also. Pl time your car with all 4 cylinders working and then remove one spark plug wire from your cylinder and then time it.

"well he was not running a stroker kit but a de stroker kit which brings down the cc.."

I dont even want to comment on that.



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ah my bad. what i wanted to mean was running under cc and not over 1600..
Get your facts right. He was running 76 x 90, which is approximately 1630 cc.

And this was not cheating, since the class is upto 1650 cc, and pro-stock allows headwork etc. What is cheating is if you run headwork or increased compression in street-stock class.
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would the veron be faster than 9.2 sec skyline??
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I dunno that but I do know that A toyota with aggressive cams could kill a certain skyline.

And Jigz please leave the lil boys alone, you've got better things to take care of, i mean if you wanna know more on those lil boys ask Shrivz about his visit to Bangalore...I think he would be best to elaborate on their skill sets...And how they manage to keep fuel flowing in their cars. Mind you this is only about lil boys DA!
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i think the whole confusion started because of word "Stroker kit". A stroker kit is what you increase the C.C of engine using same block/ head/ gasket, eg Stroker kit from 1.6 to 1.8L will have different crank(higher stroke than stock), Rod (rod length for R/S ratio) & Piston (location of wrist pin changes so that piston doesn't goes above deck hight) to accomodate in same block.

I think in rahuls case the only mistake that happened that they changed the crank/rod & pistons to go higher up in compression 11.0 + & during that process the piston was above deck height which created more problem cause they had to use double head gasket.I don't think they wanted to go higher up in C.C or something. but piston going above deck height is not a good idea.

The best bet would have been to keep stock rod & crank & made to order custom pistons with 11.0 c.r with piston not going above deck height & valve pockets to accomodate the valves.

i had driven rahuls car after speedrun 07 last year and could hear knocking on the car before i drove it & after driving found car to be sluggish & test result showed a blown head gasket but i really don't know when the head gasket blew? when memo drove on track or while they were driving down to mumbai. i guess only the owner can tell.

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i think the whole confusion started because of word "Stroker kit". A stroker kit is what you increase the C.C of engine using same block/ head/ gasket, eg Stroker kit from 1.6 to 1.8L will have different crank(higher stroke than stock), Rod (rod length for R/S ratio) & Piston (location of wrist pin changes so that piston doesn't goes above deck hight) to accomodate in same block.

I think in rahuls case the only mistake that happened that they changed the crank/rod & pistons to go higher up in compression 11.0 + & during that process the piston was above deck height which created more problem cause they had to use double head gasket.I don't think they wanted to go higher up in C.C or something.

The best bet would have been to keep stock rod & crank & made to order custom pistons with 11.0 c.r with piston not going above deck height & valve pockets to accomodate the valves.

i had driven rahuls car after speedrun 07 last year and could hear knocking on the car before i drove it & after driving found car to be sluggish & test result showed a blown head gasket but i really don't know when the head gasket blew? when memo drove on track or while they were driving down to mumbai. i guess only the owner can tell.
Jitu,

Did I use the word cheating. Read the discussion & context of my comment.

Coming to the car in question does a blown gasket mean working on 3 cylinders. When you drove the car could you tell if all cylinders were firing and was the car missing. Am sure you know how a car runs when 1 cylinder does not work or is jammed.

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