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Old 6th July 2004, 12:08   #1
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Hey, another nice article I was reading..well lets just say its got a lot of prase for all of them..

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....review=

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Old 13th July 2004, 13:34   #2
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Good article dude, I liked it very much and always wanted to read. For me the winners are Carrera GT & Enzo.
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Good read...For me the CGT is the winner
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Old 14th July 2004, 00:19   #4
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On paper Enzo looks the best n it is best .... But that red Carrera GT is sexy man
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Old 14th July 2004, 03:09   #5
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Good article. But, for me there's only one winner - Porsche Carrera GT. Awesome car!
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Quote[/b] ]hey , check the torque of the SLR , way ahead of its partners in rhythm and at much lower revs
One of the key factors to that is the piston stroke lenght of the SLR. While the Enzo's is 75.2mm and the CGT's is 76mm, the SLR's is a lot more at 92mm.

More the stroke lenght, more the torque produced, but the engine's max rpm is reduced due to this. This is good for normal driving but, on the race track you would want a car to revv higher.

While the SLR will give you better driveability through the revv range, the CGT and the Enzo will perform much better under race condition, provided you stay within the power band.

Another interesting thing i noticed is the compression ratio of the SLR, a mere 8.8:1, heck that's lower than my Vtec's 9:1.

But the fact that this car is supercharged, helps it produce 626 bhp (wonder why they've printed 617 in the article). If it were a NA engine, it wouldn't have been compared to the CGT.

The slalom speed also reflects a car ability to corner. the Enzo wins here again with an average spped of 73mph, against the CGT's 71.1mph.

So the Enzo is faster in a straight line, it's got a faster slalom speed, it's the most powerful, most number of cylinders, it beats the CGT in braking as well.

There's no denying that the Enzo is, the performance car to have.

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I agree with you every bit shantanu, but keeping everything in mind, drivability and comfort, enzo stands no where, if I were to buy a super car, it woul dhave to be one which is extreemly powerful and with good comfort..like the CGT and the SLR, may be the zonda as well..very few cars are all rounders and for me enzo would never be the first choice..only after I have atleast 1or2 cars i mentioned above will i go for the enzo..its just not what i am looking for..gr8 its fast..its faster than these other 3..but only if i am on a race track..which really doesnt bother me..it will be soo much easier to drive the CGT, SLR in bbay or delhi than the enzo..and i add the zonda to this list as well..

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Quote[/b] (Shan2nu @ July 16 2004,23:47)]Another interesting thing i noticed is the compression ratio of the SLR, a mere 8.8:1, heck that's lower than my Vtec's 9:1.

But the fact that this car is supercharged, helps it produce 626 bhp (wonder why they've printed 617 in the article). If it were a NA engine, it wouldn't have been compared to the CGT.
Hey Shan2nu,

The CR of 8.8:1 is mostly due to the fact that the engine is not naturally aspirated.
The supercharger itself actually "compresses" the air to a certain degree before the piston compresses it further to 1/8.8th the volume.

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Yup that's true and i've mentioned it too but, why not print the overall compression ratio? So, if the SC is removed, this car can actually run on Indian fuel without problems.

Any takers?? For a SLR with 300-400 bhp? LOL

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Quote[/b] (Shan2nu @ July 18 2004,22:31)]why not print the overall compression ratio?
Hey Sha2nu,

Well i dont think thats easily and uncomplicatedly possible because the final pressure in the cylinder at TDC will vary depending on what RPM you are at etc etc (due to the SC).

PSI readings at TDC at different RPM would be interesting though. Merc probably did them during development but just doesnt wish to share that technical info with us, or anyone!

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...i just went through another article which was comparing the Enzo, Murciélago, Mercedes SLR, Carrera GT... and here are the results...

Ferrari Enzo Ferrari
0 - 100 km/h: 3.6s
0 - 200 km/h: 10.3s
0 - 300 km/h: 26.1s
400m: 11.4s/212km/h
1km: 20.1s/278km/h
stoping distance from 250 km/h: 215m
Interior noise at 300 km/h: 88db
time clocked at Levante: 54.98s
top speed : 355 km/h



Lamborghini Murciélago
0 - 100 km/h: 3.7s
0 - 200 km/h: 12.5s
0 - 300 km/h: 37,6.6s
400m: 11.8s/195km/h
1km 21.4s/251km/h
stoping distance from 212 km/h: 221m
Interior noise at 300 km/h: 93db
time clocked at Levante: 55.82s
top speed : 330 km/h




Mclaren Mercedes SLR
0 - 100 km/h: 3.7s
0 - 200 km/h: 10.7s
0 - 300 km/h: 30.6s
400m: 11.5s/207km/h
1km: 20.5s/269km/h
stoping distance from 250 km/h: 212m
Interior noise at 300 km/h: 88db
time clocked at Levante: 55.45s
top speed : 334 km/h



Porsche Carrera GT
0 - 100 km/h: 3.8s
0 - 200 km/h: 10.7s
0 - 300 km/h: 34.2s
400m: 11.5s/208km/h
1km: 20.4s/266km/h
stoping distance from 250 km/h: 191m
Interior noise at 300 km/h: 93db
time clocked at Levante: 53.86s
top speed : 334 km/h

CONCLUSION:
...considering the fact the merc got a boot and many luxuries inside it is an awesome machine, it is the best supercar grantourer.
...and for a track, just track performance, nothing beats the enzo!!!
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Quote[/b] ]...and for a track, just track performance, nothing beats the enzo!!!
erm...didn't your times say that the GT was FASTER on the track than the others??

they say the porsche is technically a faster car, but its just so hard to handle that most drivers can go faster in the other cars!!

For me, its gotto be the Porsche...did you guys hear that sound on top gear...WOOOOOOWWW!!! I've never heard such a beautiful sound before...ever.

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yeah... those times i got from a german mag.
in topgear it (cgt) sounds great, also the slr.. also at high speeds the slr is the only car of the 4 to spit fire from the exhaust, which is trully great to watch also its brake discs which burn red...AMAZING.
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Exactly, i totally agree with Rtech, i noticed the CGT's timing being faster than the Enzo on the track as well and hence found this verdict very strange.

Also, in another CGTvsENZOvsSLR thread i had mentioned that the CGT had the best brakes, but there was some debate about it...... look at these stats

Braking 250km/h - 0km/h
SLR - 212m
Enzo - 215m
CGT - 191m

!!!!!! Thats a whole 21meters better than the SLR !!!!!! Thats WAY better than i thought....

About the sound of the CGT.....dayam...i know what you mean.... but you REALLY need to hear the 355 with tubis at 8,000+RPM in bombay.... it will change your life forever

Personally, i feel that how good a supercar is cannot be represented in statistics that have 1sec between them. Tests like 0-300km/h make no sense to me. I dont know abt the Enzo, but the CGT and SLR have definitely made compromises in the higher gears in favour of driveability/practicality/touring etc.

Im a huge ferrari fan... but damn... the CGT just does it for me around the track......

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Quote[/b] (M POWER @ Aug. 06 2004,11:57)]yeah... those times i got from a german mag.
hmmmmm....

I saw the braking test where the CGT came out on top in a german mag as well.....couldnt read the article....only the stats page!

Do you think it could be a misprint? (ie 191m) ?

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