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Old 27th April 2013, 12:28   #1
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Default VW developing 10-speed DSG and 134 BHP / Liter diesel

Autocar UK Reports:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/in...ed-dsg-gearbox

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A 10-speed dual-clutch automatic gearbox is being developed by the Volkswagen Group. Speaking at the Vienna Motor Symposium, VW Group chief Martin Winterkorn also confirmed a high-performance diesel engine with 134bhp per litre was in the works.

The 10spd DSG transmission is in response to strict upcoming CO2 emission rating legislation, which will force manufacturers to lower average fleet CO2 emissions to 95g/km by 2020.

The diesel engine will feature “variable valve-train assembly, a high-pressure injection system at up to 3,000 bar and combined charging with the innovative e-booster [an electric turbocharger]”.
I thought 8-speed was more than enough, but now VW developing a 10-speed 'box! . They are also developing a 134 bhp/litre engine, meaning a 2.0 would produce ~270 BHP which is nearly twice what the current 2.0 produces.

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When a 2.0L would produce 270 BHP, I'm sure not many would complain about the trend of engine downsizing

10 speed DSG would reduce the turbo lag to negligible levels, but would be heavy for sure.

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More gears look more complex in first overview but they actually help in extracting more juice from the engine and at the same time extract better fuel efficiently.
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IIRC, ZF came up with a 9 Speed AT, any other company which has a 9 speed or 10 speed configuration that is in series production ? I am not sure which car uses this 9 speed AT.

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IIRC, ZF came up with a 9 Speed AT, any other company which has a 9 speed or 10 speed configuration that is in series production ? I am not sure which car uses this 9 speed AT.

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The RR Evoque is to get a 9 spd ZF Gearbox;

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More on this;

http://www.autocarindia.com/News/334...d-gearbox.aspx

9 spd Auto Demonstration video;

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Volkswagen has joined the bandwagon of a growing number of car makers by announcing that they are developing a new 10-speed Direct Shift Gearbox (DSG). This was revealed by Hans-Jakob Neusser, the development chief of Volkswagen Group at the 2014 Vienna motor symposium in Austria.

The new transmission was termed as a key part of Volkswagen’s strategy to boost the efficiency of its future models by up to 15 per cent by 2020. The 10-speed unit will be a replacement for the German manufacturer’s current six-speed gearbox.
VW are developing a 10 speed DSG which it hopes will increase efficiency of it's cars by 15% by the year 2020.

Source: http://www.carwale.com/news/13328-vo...g-gearbox.html
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Would love to see them making their current 7 speed DSG the most reliable autobox in the market. Also would love to hear them saying, "We have addressed all service issues".

Without fixing the current problem, which contributed significantly to their badwill, i see no value in making 10 speed DSG's. It just scares people in the beginning itself.

The government of China demanded VW to give a mandatory 150+ K miles warranty to their auto boxes. Its bad on VW's part as the government is acting. They should deliver the best As they themselves advertise VW as Das Auto.

There are many complaints in our market too, No comments on government taking action on VW

The trust of the customer is very important in today's competitive market. One bad step will smoke the brand out. And despite having the best portfolio and the best cars, it takes years to make significant movement forwards in charts & Brand value addition.

Company like VW should be very careful while delivering such news, unless they are very confident about their new child.

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There are many complaints in our market too, No comments on government taking action on VW
There is no formal automotive recall policy in our rulebook. So VW simply doesn't care and just offers software update as a make-shift solution.
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10-speed transmissions? How heavy are those going to be? IIRC even Ford and GM were jointly developing similar one. Anything contributing to emission cuts are always welcome, to stretch the petroleum resources enough for few more generations.


As a Polo GT owner, I had two main concerns with VW India.
- No extended warranty readily available at the time of shopping, as a show of faith on their own product.
- The October DSG recall, switching from synthetic to mineral oil of the gearboxes not being addressed in India.

Though they took their own sweet time, they seem to have addressed them both now. Extended warranty is on sale and my VIN is listed in for the recall, for the oil switch as well as a software update. Yes, the recall is happening quietly.

Sorry for going OT, but had to put it in perspective, considering above posts.

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There is no formal automotive recall policy in our rulebook. So VW simply doesn't care and just offers software update as a make-shift solution.
It is not just about having an official/formal recall policy. You are trying to enter a Competitive market where the Japanese brands have a significant market share and peoples trust.

You are entering late and you target to dent the Japanese share. You sell a non-reliable product and you do not care to fix the problem. Bud there are only two ways in business + an unconventional exit aka Nokia kind of exit.
Either work hard and progress ahead. Or Let your all investment go down the drain. And the not so common third option is, exit the industry by selling your brand. I see their acts seem like they want to loose all their investment. None of their acts seem to be on positive side.

If you do not wish to act the right way, it would be wise to go for an unconventional exit rather than being bad. The Image in people remains. if any indian who owned a VW in india migrates to europe and wants to buy a car, he would any day prefers to buy a honda or toyota just because he had a bad experience with VW in india. The image continues..
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And will an electrically operated turbocharger be reliable in the long run? For such a critical component, analogue is better than digital in this case.
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Would love to see them making their current 7
If the VW brand is so unreliable/beset with problems, why is that we part with our hard earned money for their products? Is this a problem limited to India or worldwide? The forum is full of horror stories as regards VW/Skoda but there is no dearth of members who swear by their products too! I think the adventurous take a leap of faith while the rest look for safer options!
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Japanese brands have a significant market share and peoples trust.

You are entering late and you target to dent the Japanese share. You sell a non-reliable product and you do not care to fix the problem.
I can't disagree with you. You're absolutely right. ~60% of cars sold in India are Japanese, and for a good reason: They are reliable.

A recall will give the customer a good image about the brand.

I think VAG are not interested in selling cars in India. They are only exporting cars and making big $$$ of exports.
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The RR Evoque is to get a 9 spd ZF Gearbox;
The 2014 Jeep Cherokee and the 2015 Chrysler 200 also use the 9 speed box from ZF. The upcoming Jeep renegade is also expected to have a 9 speed. Read more - ZF 9HP


Honda has developed their own 9 speed auto for the 2015 Acura TLX with the 3.5 v6 engine. So there are a few 9 speeds out there.
I haven't driven any of these cars, but have seen quite a few of the video reviews and read text reviews of the Fiat Chrysler group vehicles - the 2014 Jeep Cherokee application of the ZF wasn't good - it has improved with the 2015 Chrysler 200.
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I would buy a 9 speed auto from Honda any day. Hopefully one will turn up in a CRV soon. I would not buy a 10 speed auto from VW for a long, long time to come. And that, dear friends, is what brand equity is all about. Customers paying their hard earned money desire reliability and durability above (almost) everything else.
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