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Old 19th November 2013, 18:32   #16
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Guess finally Honda has come to the party and in what fashion.

GDI and Turbo - Their association with Mclaren could only make things better from here on.

Now the fight is on and the age of Turbo Petrol's is here to stay.

Happy times ahead for customers
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Can't wait to experience these engines. Honda slapping a turbo on a vtec can only mean one thing; madness. I hope these engines make it to some of the Honda cars sold in India. Pricing will be crucial though. Honda does charge a premium for their highly advanced engines.
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Here is our coverage on the 2015 Type R.
Cant believe, that Honda has already hinted on the 2.0L turbo charged engine that would give 'atleast' 276 HP!!!

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/intern...ry-2015-a.html (Honda Civic Type R: All set for re-entry in 2015)

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Hot news! Now we may just get that elusive combination of Performance and Reliability! Its like a dream come true, the superlative performance of a GDI Turbo Petrol coupled with the Reliability of a Honda, unbeatable combo!
How about India being a part of the World Premier for these engines, Honda.

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About time Honda. You were almost left in the dust by the VW TSIs and the Ford Ecoboosts.

The performance from that 280bhp 2.0L Vtec Turbo is Crazy! Man - its crazy to imagine a Civic doing a 0-100 in 5.8 seconds! Even if they have a detuned 200bhp engine, it could still make Civic do an enthusiastic sub 8 seconds.

Its interesting that Honda is mum on the outputs of 1.5L and 1L engines. It could still be far away from prime time. Don't expect any of this on the 25th announcement though. It could come in the model after next.
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Honda Motor Co., Ltd. today announced that it has newly developed VTEC TURBO, a direct injection gasoline turbo engine.

The seies will feature displacement size variation of 2.0 L, 1.5 L and 1.0 L engines.

Source: Honda.
Bring it on Honda! Late to the party, but latest to the party (Rajnikanth style). Would have loved to see the specs for 1.0L though.

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This is it guys, the new Civic Type R equipped with the 2L VTEC Turbo (280hp), almost production ready prototype

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Whattay car! Am already sold on the new Jazz - Get those Type R and I might even die for it.

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...Though I have my doubts on turbo-lag from Honda's new petrols (considering all Vtecs usually suffer from poor low-end torque).
Read on Polo TSi thread that turbo + direct injection is a solution to turbo lag - Would NOT hold true for this too? I am NOT so technically good; hence a genuine question.

Edit:: Just thinking loud - That Civic shape can be made into a sub 4m type car with lots of style quotient right? May be a hidden rear door latch (like Beat's) to give a 3-door look?!
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This is great news, a few years late for Honda, but great news nonetheless. The power outputs seem great, hopefully should get some enthusiasts excited about Hondas new offerings. I for one had sworn never to buy a Honda again, because their cars were getting boring as hell. But with these engines, if they make a good handling chassis along with a compliant suspension and decent brakes then I think the Euros will have a problem.
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Awesome news! Now Honda needs to relaunch Honda Civic with the 2.0 L engine & also any iteration of i-DTEC and it might take bake the D-Segment crown again.
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Honda Honda Everywhere...Honda everywhere....
Honda is always a dark horse in the game and with these engines ready to do duty on the next gen cars, I am sure others will soon be burning midnight oil to keep pace with Honda onces production starts with these engines in the cars.
Honda has already increased its production in India and I am sure they do not plan to look back anymore.
Cheers...Good Job Honda !
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Read on Polo TSi thread that turbo + direct injection is a solution to turbo lag -
That is what I thought. The T Jet is a direct injection turbo and there is turbo lag. Off course, we are talking about an overweight car here. Direct Injection is a fuelling method and won't over come turbo lag. Could possibly minimize the felt effect on turbo lag. What it does offer is more precise fuel injection, better engine response, economy and a reduction in emission. I have not driven a direct injection, naturally aspirated engine (eg : Hyundai Sonata) to know the difference. I did experience some initial acceleration lag on the GT TSI and Ford Ecoboost too. I don't think you can get away with turbo lag unless you slap more close ratio blowers.

What I would like to see is if Honda have found a way for gdi turbo petrols to be efficient when not in the turbo zone. Vtec could be their ticket. Fiats T Jet engines are gas guzzlers when you are off the turbo zone and that is where you mostly are in bumper to bumper traffic. On Santhostbhat recommendations, I started revving more and keeping the engine in the turbo zone and the results have been very good. It is more fun too and I drive like this every time I take out the car. The pace at which the gas needle heads towards the "E" mark has slowed down now. Ha ha.
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Great! About time we get some powerful compact gasoline engines from the mainstream manufacturers.

The whole Diesel thing has kept the petrols out of picture for a while now.
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Fantastic news.

Waiting to see the VTEC Turbos to take on the TSi and the Ecoboost.

Does HONDA have a DSG equivalent transmission to mate the fast engine with a fast transmission ?
Well thats a good move by a good engine manufacturer, but do they have cars that can harness the turbo as well as the ones taht come with TSI and Ecoboost?
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Not much reason to cheer IMHO.

Fiat's T-jet, VW's TSI and Ford's ECOboost engines are already on sale in India which is a secondary market for carmakers, while Honda has yet to make them available in cars even in Japan. We are not even talking of the primary markets which include The US and Europe.

Too little too late as VW and Ford are already planning to bring in their next generation gearboxes to India in late 2014 to early 2015 which play a crucially important part in how the car performs on the road and its fuel effciency.
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That is what I thought. The T Jet is a direct injection turbo and there is turbo lag.
Your post makes complete sense. But I have doubt about this statement. IIRC T-jet is not a direct injection mill.

Please do confirm.
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But I have doubt about this statement. IIRC T-jet is not a direct injection mill.
I had my doubts as well and posted the same on Fiat India face book page. They did confirm it is direct injection and is imported as cbu. I don't think any car manufacturer builds gdi engines in India. VW/Skoda? The GT TSI is another fully imported mill. Don't know about the bigger 1.8.
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