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Old 11th October 2014, 01:23   #31
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All those in defence of the old joker, I think it's time he calls it quits.
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I think it's time for everybody to get a life and not worry about what this old joker says or does. If you like it (like me) so be it, if you don't, switch off and get on with your life.

The list of things more important or relevant than TG or JC is near endless and I wish people would get a bit more sense of reality and balance in what they get upset about.

You want to get upset about the position of women in India, the number of people in India without a roof above their head, the rapes, the corruption etc. I can understand you get upset!

You want to get upset about global warming, idiots clubbing baby seals to death so they can make fur coats, or the Indian/Pakistan situation I can relate to that too.

I can not understand why anybody would get upset about or feel offended by, as you rightly call him, an old joker.

It's just completely out of proportion. By being offended you put JC and TG on a level they simply don't deserve in the greater scheme of things.

Get a life, move on!

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I think it's time for everybody to get a life.

Get a life, move on!

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Hey! Nobody said anything to you or criticize you now, did they?
And since you've asked everyone to 'get a life' twice, I see you're quite judgmental, assuming that none of us have one, eh!

So, like I said before, all those in defence need to get a life too; than wasting their own defending the old joker.

And before this goes outta hand, I'm unsubscribing to this thread, so we can all have a nice, happy weekend. Cheers!
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Hey! Nobody said anything to you or criticize you now, did they?
And since you've asked everyone to 'get a life' twice, I see you're quite judgmental, assuming that none of us have one, eh!
I'm sorry, but where I come from 'get a life' is just an expression to emphasize there might be more relevant things in life. If you read more into it, that is not intentional. Just an expression, nothing else. (said that twice too! )

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So, like I said before, all those in defence need to get a life too; than wasting their own defending the old joker.
Very true. By the way, I'm not defending him as such. I like the show and the guy that's all. Some don't, some do.

My point is that the Clarkson's of this world shouldn't be taken seriously at all. There is lots of stuff we should take seriously, pick your own and each to its own, but TG and Clarkson shouldn't be taken seriously at all, as far as I'm concerned.

Just now read through my morning copy of the Times of India. Mostly, not a very uplifting experience I find. Against this sort of news and things happening in India and the world, I do believe we should be working and worrying on very different matters, rather then feel offended by as you rightly put it an "old joker". People being offended by some old jokers, seems quite futile to me in terms of relevance and importance in this world. So I'm just appealing for people to look at this with some sense of proportion. That's all, no offense meant. Just my opinion. And I have been wrong many, many times as well. (said many twice too). But then I have been wrong a lot.

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And also didn't Argentina try to invade the Falklands which didn't belong to them and lost the war. What are they so upset about?
No. Britain is illegally occupying the Argentinian Islands known as Islas Malvinas (which Britain calls Falklands).

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Although personally I feel he crosses the line many times when it comes to other nations & stereotypes,
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Anybody following Top Gear over a period of time would have noticed his overt bias to British cars and all things British. I can understand that any person should be passionate about his country of origin. But, demeaning other's national sentiments is rude and unacceptable; even in the name of creative license. An apology should be issued by Clarkson and BBC should see to it that such instances do not resurface.
My +1 to the above 2 posts.
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No. Britain is illegally occupying the Argentinian Islands known as Islas Malvinas (which Britain calls Falklands).
That's a matter of opinion I would think? At least of great controversy at minimum. To date the proverbial can of worms.

Here is one, not necessarily completely correct, version of the truth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands

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For god’s sake people, don’t you get it -all this is intentionally done and exactly what Clarkson wanted - publicity - good or bad doesn’t matter as long as it’s publicity for Top Gear.

And “bad” publicity is far more effective in increasing viewership ratings.

And here we are thinking that he might be fired from BBC. I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole issue was stage-managed with the producers lauding him for having got them so much publicity.

So let’s (a) stop getting offended (b) stop getting fooled by publicity stunts such as these and (c) realize that even this discussion thread must have Jeremy Clarkson laughing away to high heaven.

Well done JC, you are a past master at the game.

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A message for viewers from Top Gear boss Andy Wilman on the whole number plate escapade

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If you follow Top Gear in any way, shape or form, you won’t have missed the hoo-hah that’s kicked off following our recent filming in Patagonia. That’s probably the most boring opening sentence I’ve ever written for a blog, but this week isn’t the time for mirth and levity.


We’ve been accused by just about all of the press of setting out on that shoot knowing full well one of our cars was sporting a number plate that makes a nudge-nudge reference to the Falklands War: “H982 FKL” to be precise.

As a consequence, therefore, we got the stoning that we deserved when we were chased out of Ushuaia, a city where bitter feelings about the Falklands War run strong and deep.

As it happens, we didn’t put that number plate on deliberately – Jeremy has said so in print, James has said so on the radio, and Richard will be saying so on the radio again next week. Sadly I doubt their words will make one iota of difference to the newspapers, because our guilt is a lot more newsworthy than our innocence. In truth, though, the four of us and the rest of the team are much more concerned about what our audience believes.

I’ve read quite a few comments from viewers who are equally convinced we put the plate on deliberately, and I can understand that. We are, after all, a show known for getting into hot water through our antics, and now we’re protesting our innocence over this affair, we’re seen as merely crying wolf. I can also empathise with people who believe it’s exactly the sort of stunt we’d pull – cheeky number plate, wind up the locals, no harm done.

The truth is, however, this is most definitely not the sort of stunt we’d pull. For starters we would not base a joke around soldiers in conflict. Anybody who knows Top Gear knows how much work the presenters and the show does for Help For Heroes, and in our eyes soldiers are soldiers whatever the uniform.

Secondly, we set out on that trip to shoot a two-hour Christmas Special. It’s the most important film we make all year, and we would not plan such a crucial undertaking based on a number plate joke. Because, if you think about it for a moment, that’s precisely what we would have had to do.

We would have had to gather the whole team and say: “Sod what the cars are for this trip, just find one that’s registered with a number plate containing 982 and FKL.” The plate was a genuine plate, remember, not one we made up.

So our researchers would have got on the phone to the DVLA, asked them if such a car existed, and then when the DVLA came back and said, “There is, actually, on a Porsche 928,” we’d have then asked for the details of the owner.

At this point the DVLA would have refused, because that would be a contravention of the Data Protection Act (and they don’t pass on requests the other way to specific owners). So let’s say we persevere and obtain, probably illegally, the details of the owner of that car.

Then what? Then we would have to knock on his door and try and persuade him to sell us his car. And all this because we’re desperate to find a number plate with joke numbers and letters on it. It’s just nonsense beyond belief.

So let’s say we did know what cars we wanted for this shoot – V8 sports cars, as it happens. We would then be saying to the research team: “Make sure the Porsche has a number plate with that combination of numbers and letters.”

Right. Do you know how many Porsche 928GTs there were for sale when we were looking? Two or three, tops. The odds of one having the number plate we “wanted” are millions to one. The plate was genuine, remember, not one we had made up.

I explained all this to a chap from one of the national newspapers and he came back with a good question. “OK,” he said, “if it wasn’t deliberate, why didn’t you spot it and do something about it before you left the UK?”

Fair point, given we’re a car show. The fact is though, we didn’t. There were a core team of around four people in the office working on putting together the Special, and their priorities were getting the cars bought, mechanically checked for time-bombs and shipped to Argentina, with all the paperwork that endeavor requires.

On top of this they were booking crews and sorting hotels, fixers, camping, filming permits, crew travel, carnets, risk assessments, filming cars, props, mechanical back-up, the lot. Not only did they not have time to scrutinise number plates, but the eldest of the team was around six when the Falklands War broke out, so it’s not going to resonate even if they did see the plates.

As for me and the presenters, the older mob, we’re swamped with our own work too and likewise not looking at plates.

The truth is the first time we realised the plate could be a problem was on the third night of our shoot in Argentina (19 September, I believe), when Jeremy was scrolling through Twitter and spotted a comment on one of the auto fan sites, next to a photo of the plate. I remember his surprise and concern.

There are other witnesses to this fact. In fact, one of them – a mechanic we were using for the first time – has written to the Telegraph Letters page stating he saw Jeremy’s reaction and that it could have been nothing but genuine. (Weirdly, although he’s chased them, the Telegraph has so far not bothered to print his letter.)

Knowing this could be a problem, our office spoke to the local authorities in Ushuaia, the town where the war issue was most sensitive, and where we would end our trip in ten days’ time with a massive game of car football. We agreed with those authorities that the plates would be removed before we entered the town, and it was at this point – not before we left London – that we decided to get the BE11 END plates made for Jeremy’s car for the football match in the town.

Before we entered Ushuaia we duly removed the H982 FKL plates from the Porsche. For a day or two, the plate on the back said H1 VAE (the plate left there, underneath H982 FKL, from when one owner had privately registered the car). An advance party of our guys had been in there for a few days already, prepping the football game with no problem whatsoever. The local ski resort was looking forward to us filming there too.

There was nothing in the air to suggest trouble was brewing until the Argentinian veterans arrived and kicked off. We apologized that the existence of the plates earlier on would have caused offence. We explained they were now gone, and that they had not been a deliberate act. They didn’t believe us, told us to leave town or face the consequences, we did that very thing and drove into a night of violent terror.

That is how it all happened, and I would welcome the most rigorous investigation in the land to scrutinize our conduct in this affair. I probably won’t convince Damon Albarn, because he was happy to make his thoughts known before he heard our side of the story. But if I can get our point across to any one viewer, I’ll be content.

I am sure it was not intentionally and the above explanation from Andy should be enough to convince any TG fan!
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People have different sense of humour across the world and people react differently. What may seem silly for one might be offensive for another.

Wasn't there a lot of protest after their India special?

As someone said, there are far more serious and crazy things in the world happening around us to take note instead of venting about a tv show. offensive or not.
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I am looking forward to all this in the next season, with JC's commentary! Hope they got at least some of it on camera.
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