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Old 12th November 2014, 15:36   #1
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Volkswagen's latest update for India has come in the form of the 7-Speed DSG automatic gearbox on the Vento TDI Facelift (Also added to the Skoda Rapid diesel). On the international front though, the German car maker has taken a larger leap forward with an all new TDI engine that produces 238 HP of power and they have also introduced a new 10-Speed DSG automatic that will be available for engines that produce up to 550 Nm of torque.

The 2.0-litre, four cylinder engine will make its way onto the European Passat and while it has 238 HP of power on tap, Volkswagen says the engine can produce up to 268 HP with the use of variable valve timing, reworked gas exchange cycles and an electric booster. With a power output of nearly 120 HP per litre of displacement, the new mill is the most powerful four cylinder TDI engine ever put into production. Volkswagen has stated that the engine is capable of hitting a top speed of 240 km/h, with claimed fuel consumption figures coming in at 5.3 L/100 km (Nearly 19 km/l).
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This is fantastic news. Although i knew it coming, there were rumors on web regarding the 10 speed DSG. 268hp Passat TDI with a 10 speed DSG would be an Awesome car! My upgrade car from Laura if it ever comes to India

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Volkswagen's latest update for India has come in the form of the 7-Speed DSG automatic gearbox on the Vento TDI Facelift (Also added to the Skoda Rapid diesel). On the international front though, the German car maker has taken a larger leap forward with an all new TDI engine that produces 238 HP of power and they have also introduced a new 10-Speed DSG automatic that will be available for engines that produce up to 550 Nm of torque.

The 2.0-litre, four cylinder engine will make its way onto the European Passat and while it has 238 HP of power on tap, Volkswagen says the engine can produce up to 268 HP with the use of variable valve timing, reworked gas exchange cycles and an electric booster. With a power output of nearly 120 HP per litre of displacement, the new mill is the most powerful four cylinder TDI engine ever put into production. Volkswagen has stated that the engine is capable of hitting a top speed of 240 km/h, with claimed fuel consumption figures coming in at 5.3 L/100 km (Nearly 19 km/l).
Hey thats a wonderful news - especially from a technological point of view. Just love it when more and more complex technology finds its way towards the day to day life. And a supreme FE really. Just awesome.

Will be a pure odyssey to get behind the wheel of that Passat really...*dreaming*

BTW , how come you are shown as a "BHPian" with just 13 posts? Bypassed the "Newbie" phase somehow?
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Any idea who provides the 10 speed DSG? Is it ZF, GETRAG, GIF or some other company?
Any details on the gear arrangement used?

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Any idea who provides the 10 speed DSG? Is it ZF, GETRAG, GIF or some other company?
Any details on the gear arrangement used?

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As far as I remember, the original 6 speed DSG was Borg Warner, and Porsche and VW were closely involved in developing it. None of the publications have really mentioned who is building the new one. VW maybe developing it in-house?
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268hp Passat TDI with a 10 speed DSG would be an Awesome car!
Forget the C-Class & 3-Series, that would be a BMW 530d killer, wouldn't it?

Just hope driveability hasn't suffered. The current 2.0 TDI has amazing response at low rpm. Hope the larger turbo doesn't bring heavy lag < 2,000 rpm.

More than the Passat though, I'm just wondering what such an engine would do in the lighter, smaller Jetta.

Curious to know what VW means by 'electric booster'. Electric motor / hybrid?
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At 238 BHP, I'd finally happily select this over a 3, C / A4 should I be shopping in that market.

@GTO: I seriously doubt that they would launch a Jetta with 238 BHP output. It would most likely be detuned. They've historically never had an RS type of option in the VW stable in India.
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Forget the C-Class & 3-Series, that would be a BMW 530d killer, wouldn't it?
As with all other VAG engines, this engine going to be shared with Audi. Cars like Audi A6 do not have a mid range Diesel, to take on the 525d(a boosted 2.0 Diesel now, earlier it was a detuned inline 6) and this engine is powerful enough to even replace the 3.0 TDI engine.

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More than the Passat though, I'm just wondering what such an engine would do in the lighter, smaller Jetta.
I'd be more curious to see a Golf R or Octavia VRS..

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Curious to know what VW means by 'electric booster'. Electric motor / hybrid?
If it's the same system they have been testing with the bigger engined Audi RS5 TDI, then it is a Electric Supercharger running on 48v electric Motor, to be more precise its a electric supercharger + Turbocharger combo. The supercharger keeps up the boost till the Turbo spools up and then Turbocharger takes over.

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Just hope driveability hasn't suffered. The current 2.0 TDI has amazing response at low rpm. Hope the larger turbo doesn't bring heavy lag < 2,000 rpm.
If it's similar to the system i have mentioned above, no need to worry about the low end.

What's not mentioned here is, in the long term they are going to keep the DSG range only for Golf segment and above, everything else below is going to get traditional Torque Converter units.

VW Group may have been struggling with DSG reliability concerns for almost an decade now but by now they have almost mastered the art of DSGs for main stream production. Mercedes with its lower end fwd cars just have jumped into mainstream DSG market, i predict its going to be a bumpy ride for them for next few years. Even Mercedes is struggling with the competence of the 7G tronic Torque convertor unit they use for their more expensive cars, its no match for the brilliant ZF8 transmission.
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Volkswagen's MK8 Golf to come with the new DSG,

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The eighth generation Volkswagen Golf will be offered with a new 10-speed automatic transmission due for a 2017 release. Taking advantage of the MQB platform makes it possible to fit the 10 speed gearbox. The same will fit in MQB platform from Audi TT to New Passat.

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Details of the 10-speed DSG gearbox from Volkswagen have emerged.

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This new twin clutch automatic gearbox not only has two distinct clutches that allow it to change the gear faster and be more efficient, it also has the added flexibility of ten gears.

The new gearbox, called the DQ511, is a development of the seven-speed DQ500 used in cars like the Jetta and Octavia, and is designed for a peak torque of 56.1. Applying conventional logic, a ten speed gearbox should be proportionately larger and heavier than a seven-speed gearbox of the same design. But the new 10-speed is no larger than the current seven-speed, and doesn't weigh more either. Amazingly, the new box uses the same amount of gear sets as the seven-speed DQ500. This is done by employing an entirely new shifting strategy, so that the existing gears combine differently to form new ratios.

Moreover, only two new additional linkages are used. This also works perfectly for VW's platform strategy as it allows the 10-speed to be seamlessly integrated into all the new VW MQB cars.

VW says it will customise ratios in accordance with the cars' requirement, so you can either have densely stacked gears for strong performance, well spread out ratios for overall benefits, or even super tall ratios for ultra efficient cruising. In fact, one of the biggest benefits of the new 10-speed gearbox is the increase in the average gear ratios over the earlier seven-speed, without any compromise in driveability; the new box has an overall average ratio of 10.2 versus 7.9 for the earlier seven-speed.
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VW kills off plans for 10-speed dual-clutch transmission , confirmed by VW powertrain chief Friedrich Eichler.

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