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Old 2nd October 2015, 17:53   #406
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2011 VW Jetta TDI Dyno Run Reveals Cheating Software At Work!






http://www.carscoops.com/2015/10/201...n-reveals.html
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This a very amateur video, there is absolutely no emissions measurement.

Thinking about this, some guys made a video which shows that VW cheated on emissions - without any emissions measurement??
What the video shows is, it drops torque when it detects wheel slip- which is a standard feature for safety.

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In reality the NOX emission may be good. Its good for global cooling in the times of global warming.

Just saying

If this means change in power and torque and the usual diesel characteristics, users will now start looking for ways to cheat the refitted software and any hardware change.

Thats reality.
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According to the following article published by Credit Suisse the VW cheating scam could cost upto $87 billion to fix, which is 60% higher compared to what BP spend after the Gulf Oil spill.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/02/news...credit-suisse/

"Credit Suisse (CS) estimates that the total cost to the company could hit 78 billion euros ($87 billion) in a worst case scenario. That's about 60% more than the cost of the Deepwater Horizon spill to BP (BP).

"The market does not appear to be discounting negative knock-on effects," wrote Credit Suisse analysts in a report sent to the bank's clients. "The outcome for recall costs and fines is unclear and largely depends on the engine performance post repair."

Volkswagen (VLKAY) has set aside 6.5 billion euros ($7.3 billion) to deal with the fallout from the scandal, after the company was caught cheating on emissions tests in its diesel vehicles. Even Credit Suisse's most conservative estimate of the cost -- about 23 billion euros -- is roughly 3.5 times that figure.

The automaker has said about 11 million vehicles worldwide are affected. That's more vehicles than the group sells in a single year.

A total bill of $87 billion would be equal to seven times last year's net profit and place enormous pressure on Volkswagen's finances. According to the company's latest earnings statement, it has 21.5 billion euros ($24.3 billion) in cash on hand.

In compiling its estimates, Credit Suisse considered the cost of fixing the emissions problems, reimbursing owners and settling civil and criminal court cases.

The bank's analysts believe the single biggest cost -- up to 33 billion euros -- could come from compensating owners for the loss of value to their vehicles. The technical fix is likely to mean higher fuel consumption, which combined with damage to the brand, will make the cars harder to sell.

Credit Suisse said that Volkswagen may try to keep costs down by offering discounts on new vehicles to affected customers, instead of reimbursing them in cash.
Credit Suisse also warns that the carmaker's large financial services unit will take a significant hit from the scandal.

The financial arm of Volkswagen provides loans to customers who buy the company's vehicles, including Audi and Porsche models.

Since the scandal broke, Volkswagen Financial Services is having to pay more to borrow the money it then loans to customers. Credit Suisse said it may even need an injection of cash from the rest of the group to keep the business steady. "
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2011 VW Jetta TDI Dyno Run Reveals Cheating Software At Work!
Where, in the video, is the cheating revealed?

Call it collateral damage or unintended consequence, who would have expected Samsung TVs to get affected by VW dieselgate? According to this report, Samsung TVs are accused of 'cheating efficiency tests'. Samsung has been accused of fixing its TVs to use less energy under official testing conditions, drawing parallels with the recent Volkswagen scandal.

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Volkswagen has enabled a VIN check on it's official website, to see if a particular customer's VW car is installed with the "cheat" software.

LINK to VIN number check

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Link to VIN check

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Volkswagen said customers in Germany could enter their car's serial number on the www.volkswagen.de/info website to see if their car is affected.

Audi said customers could do the same on its www.audi.de site.

VW said the search tool is being integrated into national sites worldwide and will be available on those sites shortly. Audi said the function will be extended worldwide over national Audi sites in the coming week.

Customers can also go to dealers to check on their vehicles using the serial number. Volkswagen and its brands say they will present a technical fix to authorities in October.
ET Auto

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Dear Volkswagen customer, we would like to confirm, dass die vehicle with the Entered Vehicle Identification Number [VIN number] is not affected by the software, the nitric oxide levels (NOx) in the Test Run (NEDC) optimized.


We deeply regret did your confidence in the brand Volkswagen is currently being tested and are working hard to educate all irregularities and fully regain the trust deed so many people in US.

We will continue to inform all our customers Continuously and transparently. Should you have any questions Further, please use our contact function on this website.

Sincerely, Thomas Dental Sales and Marketing Director Germany
Thats for an Indian Jetta . Try a German Jetta and you will see a different message.
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Here is response from VW customer care India for a query to understand if Vento 1.6 TDI engine is impacted. Same message as available in VW India website

Not sure how long will be the wait to know the fate of India VW 1.6 and 2.0 TDI vehicles.

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NSCI R: Mumbai, Customer-Care <customer.care@volkswagen.co.in>
To xxxxxx Today at 11:28 AM
Dear Sir,

We thank you for your email to Volkswagen dated October 3, 2015.

At the outset, we wish to clarify that we sincerely regret the inconvenience that may have been caused to you due to recent developments.

We completely understand that you have some urgent questions relating to purported irregularities in the software installed in diesel engines.

Please be rest assured that we are working intensively on clarifying the situation and hence at the moment, we are unable to provide definitive responses to all of your detailed questions. At the same time, we ask for your kind co-operation and understanding.

We also assure you that as soon as we have clarifications, we will touch base with you..

We hold great responsibility towards our products and customers and we write with conviction that all affected vehicles are safe from a technical standpoint and are in perfect roadworthy condition.

We therefore again ask for your patience, kind co-operation and understanding in this matter.

Kind regards,
Bhawna
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Volkswagen's US chief Michael Horn to testify before Congressional House Energy and Commerce Committee on Oct 8, 2015 at 10 a.m. EDT (1400 GMT) according to Reuters.
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Volkwagen AG's top U.S. executive will testify Oct. 8 before a U.S. House oversight committee about the German automaker's emissions cheating scandal, a panel spokesman said on Thursday.

Michael Horn, president and chief executive of Volkswagen Group of America, will appear before the House Energy and Commerce Committee for proceedings schedule to begin at 10 a.m. EDT (1400 GMT), the spokesman said.
The American people want to know why these devices were in place, how the decision was made to install them, and how they went undetected for so long. We will get them those answers, said U.S. Representative Tim Murphy of Pennsylvania. He will be at the hearing as chairman of the Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, Reuters reported.

Live and archived video of hearings and meetings can be accessed at Energy and Commerce Committee web page.
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Dear Volkswagen customer, we would like to confirm, dass die vehicle with the Entered Vehicle Identification Number [VIN number] is not affected by the software, the nitric oxide levels (NOx) in the Test Run (NEDC) optimized.


We deeply regret did your confidence in the brand Volkswagen is currently being tested and are working hard to educate all irregularities and fully regain the trust deed so many people in US.

We will continue to inform all our customers Continuously and transparently. Should you have any questions Further, please use our contact function on this website.

Sincerely, Thomas Dental Sales and Marketing Director Germany

I wonder: did they use Google translate to come up with that?

Actually, I doubt it: it would probably have done a better job
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I wonder: did they use Google translate to come up with that?

Actually, I doubt it: it would probably have done a better job
The "VIN check" web page is in German. I had to use Google translate to convert it to English.

Below is the screenshot of what I got (with Google Translate) for my Jetta's VIN number. The translation is a little different though

VAG's emission fraud - VW cheats in emission test-jetta-recall.jpg

Here is the original in German.

VAG's emission fraud - VW cheats in emission test-jetta-recall-german.jpg

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The "VIN check" web page is in German. I had to use Google translate to convert it to English.
Oh, I see! That explains it.

I was sure that VW would have a reasonable standard of English!
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Now experts have calculated a likely death toll due to VW illegal emissions.
http://www.ibtimes.com/volkswagen-di...-shows-2125805

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likely killed from five to 20 people a year in the United States in recent years, according to a statistical analysis by the Associated Press. Software that the company admitted it programmed to get around government emissions limits allowed VW diesel cars to spew enough pollution to cause up to 94 U.S. deaths over the last seven years, the AP reported Saturday.
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"Statistically, we can't point out who died because of [VWs] policy, but some people have died or likely died as a result of this," Peter Adams, an environmental engineer professor at Carnegie Mellon, told the AP. Adams computerized analysis estimated a $100 million cost for the U.S. deaths, at $8.6 million per death.
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Oh, I see! That explains it.

I was sure that VW would have a reasonable standard of English!
They got their lawyers to vet the German original and then relied on machine translation. They will not like to change a single comma.
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