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Old 7th October 2015, 13:49   #1
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Default U.S Government giving Toyota a tough time; Why are all the terrorists buying up your cars?

The U.S government currently is examining how terrorists get their money and goods, and just happened to notice that pretty much every jihadist on the news is waving an ominous black flag or murdering people from the tray of a Toyota truck.

CEO of the Counter Extremism Project and a former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Mark Wallace reportedly told ABC; “Regrettably, the Toyota Land Cruiser and Hilux have effectively become almost part of the ISIS brand.”

Also, apparently the Iraqi government thinks ISIS has not only been militarizing old Toyotas, but getting their hands on “hundreds” of brand new ones recently. Hence the concern over what Toyota might be able to do to stop extremist murderers from buying their vehicles.

Here is Toyota's response to this sticky situation:

“Toyota has a strict policy to not sell vehicles to potential purchasers who may use or modify them for paramilitary or terrorist activities, and we have procedures and contractual commitments in place to help prevent our products from being diverted for unauthorized military use. However, it is impossible for any automaker to control indirect or illegal channels through which our vehicles could be misappropriated, stolen or re-sold by independent third parties. We are committed to complying fully with the laws and regulations of each country or region where we operate, and require our dealers and distributors to do the same. We are supporting the U.S. Treasury Department’s broader inquiry into international supply chains and the flow of capital and goods in the Middle East.”

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It seems too much reliability is also a bad thing these days. Poor Toyota.

{Source: Jalopnik}

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Old 7th October 2015, 13:59   #2
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The US - as the #1 arms exporter - should surely know that selling to anyone with the money to pay for it is Capitalism 101.

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The roots of this can be traced back to tribal regions of Pakistan & Afganistan. The terrains are so tough that only Toyotas survive. This has earned the brand a name, a force to recon with. Now the same name is reverberated across the muslim kingdoms. UAE also have a part to play, sheikhs have been having fun with the toyotas on the dunes.
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The US - as the #1 arms exporter - should surely know that selling to anyone with the money to pay for it is Capitalism 101.
Well said !! For US, when they are selling things, its pure capitalism in an open market, when they are at the receiving end, its a major concern involving national security
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Mat Watson of carbuyer said something similar while reviewing the Prado "if you are the leader of a militia/terror group and have an F22 bearing down on you, you want a car that can get you to safety over any kind of terrain ". I guess the terrorists have seen the review and continue to depend on Toyota, can you imagine using an American or European vehicle in those conditions?
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If only their 'own' brands' trucks had HALF the reliability of the Japs and they could find anybody worth the sticker price wanting to own one, I bet the 'Amreekans' would gladly sell a whole truckload (pun definitely intended) without asking too many questions!
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The American Ford F series pickup trucks can give the Toyota's a run for their money and are as reliable. They are not the best selling vehicle in the US for nothing. The ISIS being ISIS would not use American products (save maybe their weapons tech) as they are anti-American . Toyota is not at fault here though as they do not have control on who buys their cars.

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The US - as the #1 arms exporter - should surely know that selling to anyone with the money to pay for it is Capitalism 101.
So true! I came across this video that explained how US Companies profited out of war.

But at the same time, having ourselves chosen market economy (a place where "Greed" is no more a meaningful word - because its THE driving force), can we really complain ?

Moreso, if we do complain now, there'll be a hypocritical side to it - considering we all took the benefits of "professionalism" or "brands" when it suited us.

Edit : And to the argument that "there should be checks & balances", c'mon - thats never really worked properly in the practical world.

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The American Ford F series pickup trucks can give the Toyota's a run for their money and are as reliable. They are not the best selling vehicle in the US for nothing. The ISIS being ISIS would not use American products (save maybe their weapons tech) as they are anti-American . Toyota is not at fault here though as they do not have control on who buys their cars.

All my Humble opinion.
Hey, but the US and it's allies funded ISIS, Al Nusra and whatever they call as "Moderate Rebels" which are class A terrorists. The Toyotas came from there.

Imagine this, USA can track Osama to a small house in a small town of Abbotabad, but can't find out how ISIS is getting Toyotas, can't target ISIS convoys which are moving around unobstructed in Iraq and capturing villages and cities is a bit strange.

What is more strange is NATO countries along with USA have been bombing Syria for a year and ISIS has only expanded in that one year into Syria, a few days into Russian strikes and Syrian Arab Army is already decimating ISIS in so many areas.

ISIS has not TOUCHED Israel or Jordan or even Turkey for that matter when technically speaking these should be their bigger enemies than President Assad.

To be honest, I would trust a snake more than USA or anything it says now.
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Lol before i even start. This is like a cook telling that its due to this Pot that the curry is spicy! Capitalism 101 and i think the manufacturers can put some tag which can be activated to remotely find the location of a vehicle.

I know i know...privacy and stuff! But do you really think our info is safe in this day and age when your willing to share intimate details of your life on social media?

Anyways this texas company sold a truck but did not remove a sticker on it. Next thing you know this truck is being used by rebels somewhere and this poor company was called as a sponsor of those rebels.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...rorist-weapon/

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While that may remain why US government never asks arms guys "how come you keep getting ammunition?"

This is nothing but lobbying and geopolitical forces at work.
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...To be honest, I would trust a snake more than USA or anything it says now.
That is really a sad thing to say. Think of what Americans do from point of view of an American. Then compare that with our politicos and babus who would not hesitate to sell our interests for a visa for their own kin at US embassy. Think of all `Khobragades' who are paid for by our taxes....
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ISIS has not TOUCHED Israel or Jordan or even Turkey for that matter when technically speaking these should be their bigger enemies than President Assad
I don't know about Jordan or Turkey but ISIS will not dare to enter Israel, well maybe they will but they know that Israel is the most well-prepared nation for its size for war, it has the largest combined soldiers & arsenal of weapons, fighter-jets, missiles & tanks.. rumours have it 2nd only to U.S. Its also the nation which enjoys massive support from America (however much they try to downplay it with superficial negotiations), Jews afterall own the world economy/banking system.

Coming to the point of the thread, Toyota should definitely not be seen ferrying these "things" as pictured above. In such countries should there not be more measures taken like curbing 4x4's completely or not taking bulk orders of such vehicles? Oh who are we kidding, I bet these people enter the showrooms in person and enjoy elite treatment, Toyota & the local dealers on their part cannot refuse because of either a false sense of "religional" brotherhood or for fear of being blown up.
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That is really a sad thing to say. Think of what Americans do from point of view of an American. Then compare that with our politicos and babus who would not hesitate to sell our interests for a visa for their own kin at US embassy. Think of all `Khobragades' who are paid for by our taxes....
Yes but this is thousands of human lives we are talking about who were killed because of funding of terrorism by western countries. Lives, walking, talking families who are left without anything because US government is stuck to 'Assad must go'. Who is anyone to decide in some other country who must be go? Its for the Syrians to decide who stays and goes as their president, not the USA, EU or Saudi Arabia. Meddling in other countries affairs has been an American policy, look at Iraq, and the million plus dead. Indian corruption and American intervention and sponsership of groups is incomparable. American's do what American's do at the cost of civilian lives in thousands from other countries, which is not acceptable from which ever angle. and BTW by American's I meant the 'American Government', not the people.

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I don't know about Jordan or Turkey but ISIS will not dare to enter Israel, well maybe they will but they know that Israel is the most well-prepared nation for its size for war, it has the largest combined soldiers & arsenal of weapons, fighter-jets, missiles & tanks.. rumours have it 2nd only to U.S. Its also the nation which enjoys massive support from America (however much they try to downplay it with superficial negotiations), Jews afterall own the world economy/banking system.

Coming to the point of the thread, Toyota should definitely not be seen ferrying these "things" as pictured above. In such countries should there not be more measures taken like curbing 4x4's completely or not taking bulk orders of such vehicles? Oh who are we kidding, I bet these people enter the showrooms in person and enjoy elite treatment, Toyota & the local dealers on their part cannot refuse because of either a false sense of "religional" brotherhood or for fear of being blown up.
Israel has built hospitals across its border in the Golan to treat these so called 'Rebel's', friends don't attack friends do they?

Yes, but maybe proxies buy these vehicles for ISIS and give it to them from showrooms and cities which are still still not war zones. For example, how difficult will it be for someone to buy a Toyota in Erbil or Bagdhad and pass it on to ISIS? Not at all difficult.

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On similar lines a plumbing company has sued a used car dealer after finding out that the truck they sold off showed up with ISIS in Syria: News article
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