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Default LaFerrari vs McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918: Lap Times

Here are all the published lap times from all the times the Holy Trinity were pitted together.
Let us treat it with respect though- like a celebration, and not a comparision, just like Chris 'Monkey' Harris said.

Note: Please don't compare them to petrol-powered/all-motor cars like the Koenigsegg Agera/one:1 and Lamborghini Aventador SV. This is the HYBRID supercars only club.

Some specs first (via Autocar UK)
Ferrari LaFerrari
Price £1.15 million; 0-62mph Sub-3.0sec (claimed); Top speed "Above 217mph"; Economy na; CO2 333g/km; Kerb weight 1255kg (dry), 1345kg (approx) with fluids; Engine V12, 6262cc, petrol plus electric motors; Installation Mid, longitudinal, rear-wheel drive; Power (789+161)950bhp at 9000rpm; Torque 715lb ft at 6750rpm; Power to weight 707bhp/tonne (with fluids); Specific output152bhp/litre; Compression ratio13.5.0:1; Gearbox 7-speed paddle shift DCT; Length 4702mm; Width1992mm; Height 1116mm; Wheelbase 2650mm; Fuel tankn/a; Range n/a; Boot n/a; Front suspension Double wishbones, coil springs, anti-roll bar, electronic adaptive dampers; Rear suspension double wishbones, coil springs, anti-roll bar, electronic adaptive dampers; Brakes398/380mm, ventilated carbon ceramic discs, front and rear; Wheels 9.5jx19in (front), 13.0jx20in (rear); Tyres 265/30 ZR19 front, 345/30 ZR 20 rear, Pirelli P-Zero Corsa

McLaren P1
Price £866,000; 0-62mph 2.8sec; Top speed 217mph (limited); Economy 34.0mpg (combined); CO2 194g/km; Kerb weight1450kg; Engine V8, 3799cc, twin-turbo petrol, plus electric motors; Installation Mid, longitudinal, rear-wheel drive; Power (727+176)903bhp at 7500rpm; Torque 664lb ft at 4000rpm; Power to weight623bhp per tonne; Specific output237bhp per litre; Compression ratio na; Gearbox 7-spd dual-clutch automatic; Length 4590mm; Width 1946mm; Height 1170mm; Wheelbase 2670mm; Fuel tank 64 litres; Range 479 miles; Boot 120 litres; Front suspension Double wishbones, hydraulic springs, electronic adaptive dampers; Rear suspension Double wishbones, hydraulic springs, electronic adaptive dampers; Brakes 390mm carbon-ceramic discs (f), 380mm carbon-ceramic discs (r); Wheels9Jx19in (f), 11.5Jx20in (r); Tyres245/35 ZR19 (f), 315/30 ZR20 (r), Pirelli P Zero Corsa

Porsche 918 Spyder
Price £704,000 (Weissach Pack edition); 0-62mph 2.5sec ; Top speed 215mph; Economy 94.1mpg (combined); CO2 70g/km; Kerb weight 1634kg; Engine layout V8, 4600cc, petrol, plus electric motors; Installation Mid, longitudinal, 4WD; Power (608+279)875bhp at 8500rpm; Torque 944lb ft at 4000rpm; Power to weight535bhp per tonne; Specific output190bhp per litre; Compression ratio na; Gearbox 7-spd dual-clutch automatic; Length 4643mm; Width 1940mm; Height 1167mm; Wheelbase 2730mm; Fuel tank 70 litres; Range na; Boot 110 litres; Front suspension Double wishbones, coil springs, electronic adaptive dampers, anti-roll bar; Rear suspension Multi-link, coil springs, electronic adaptive dampers, anti-roll bar; Brakes410mm carbon-ceramic discs (f), 390mm carbon-ceramic discs (r); Wheels 9.5Jx20in (f), 12.5Jx21in (r); Tyres 265/35 ZR20 (f), 325/30 ZR21 (r), Michelin Pilot Cup 2


1. SuperCar Driver
Driver: Mat Jackson
Circuit: Silverstone
No factory support. All privately owned cars (by Paul Bailey).

McLaren P1 - 0:58.24
*Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (supersticky track-focused street tires)
*Race Mode (not street-legal and meant only for the race track)

Porsche 918 Spyder - 0:58.47
*Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 street-focused tires
*Weissach Pack

Ferrari LaFerrari - 0:58.58
*Pirelli P Zero Corsa street-focused tires
*CT off


2. Salomondrin 'Hyper5'
Driver: James Sofronas
Circuit: Thermal Club
No factory support. All privately owned cars (different owners).

McLaren P1 - 1:18.822
*No idea what tires it ran. Maybe the Pirelli P Zero Corsa(street-focused tires)
*Race Mode (not street-legal and meant only for the race track)

Porsche 918 Spyder - 1:18.44
*Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 street-focused tires
*Weissach Pack

Ferrari LaFerrari - 1:18.46
*Pirelli P Zero Corsa street-focused tires


3. Chris Harris
Driver: Chris Harris
Circuit: Portimao
The only test so far with full factory support and cars from all the manufacturers.

McLaren P1 - 1:53.57(Corsa) and 1:51.78(Trofeo R)
*Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (supersticky track-focused street tires) and Pirelli P Zero Corsa(street-focused tires)
*Race Mode (not street-legal and meant only for the race track)

Porsche 918 Spyder - 1:53.98
*Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 street-focused tires
*Weissach Pack

Ferrari LaFerrari - 1:54.25
*Pirelli P Zero Corsa street-focused tires


There are two more publications that tried to pull this off earlier but Ferrari wouldn't let them.

1. Evo Magazine
Driver: Jethro Bovingdon
Circuit: Anglesey
Full factory support and cars from manufacturers.

McLaren P1 - 1:12.6 (Corsa) and 1:11.2 (Trofeo R)
*Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (supersticky track-focused street tires) and Pirelli P Zero Corsa(street-focused tires)
*Race Mode (not street-legal and meant only for the race track)

Porsche 918 Spyder - 1:12.4
*Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 street-focused tires
*Weissach Pack


2. MotorTrend
Driver: Randy Pobst
Circuit: Laguna Seca
Full factory support and cars from manufacturers.

McLaren P1 - 1:30.71
*Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (supersticky track-focused street tires)
*Race Mode (not street-legal and meant only for the race track)

Porsche 918 Spyder - 1:29.89
*Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 street-focused tires
*Weissach Pack


Nurburgring Lap times:
McLaren P1 - "Under 7 minutes"
Porsche 918 Spyder - 6:57
LaFerrari - Not available

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Default LaFerrari vs McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918: Lap Times

Came across this article that brings in a whole new angle.
What they are asking for is basically a 'Ring time from McLaren and Ferrari. Or atleast some other common race track but with factory drivers and support. Interesting.

​The recent spate of hypercar tests that have been populating the internet have opened the floodgate to say that we finally know which of the hybrid supercars is the fastest out there. Phew! That's a relief! Glad that weight is off our shoulders.

Except it really isn't.

There are issues with every single test of the hybrid supercars, issues that actually make a defined conclusion of which is fastest or best

The tests of the "Hyper 5" as well as The Supercar Driver's tests use customer cars which may or may not be prepped to factory standards. Of course, some say that using customer cars levels the playing field and doesn't allow the factories to make adjustments or prep the cars in any special way, it's the way they are on the street when driven by the owners.

And that's all well and good, but it's a rather poor way to find out which car has the best all-out performance. If the cars are prepped by the factory, there is far less chance that something could be awry. The tires are fresh and the setup is dialed in to maximize performance. It might not be exactly how you see one on the street, but it is the ideal setup that the automaker recommends to achieve the fastest lap time, and that's far more important for a test like this.

The other issue is the driver. In The Supercar Driver track test, the McLaren P1 is the quickest, the 918 is second, and the LaFerrari was third at the track in the hands of World Touring Car racer Mat Jackson. The issue is that Jackson was a development driver for McLaren, so he'd naturally be at home in the car and able to get up to speed in it the quickest.

In the Hyper 5 test, World Challenger racer James Sofronas is behind the wheel. He's undoubtedly capable behind the wheel, but he readily admits that he's never driven any of the cars he's being presented with to test. And in that test, the 918 was fastest, the LaFerrari second, and the P1 third. A totally different order than The Supercar Driver test.

Doesn't really give us a clearcut answer, does it?

That brings us to Chris Harris' mega-test of the three cars. Chris didn't take customer cars to Portimao, he got cars straight from the factories with technicians to make sure they were all at the top of their game. Pirelli supplied equivalent tires. So far, so good.

Harris is a very talented driver, one of the best in the automotive journalism world. He also has experience in all three cars and didn't do development work for any of the manufacturers. So far, so good. In his test, the P1 comes out on top, the 918 second, and the LaFerrari third.

Harris doesn't make any claims that his test is a definitive ranking of which is the best of the three cars, but there are definitely people on the internet taking the times set there as gospel of which car is the fastest of the fast and the best of the best.

And that's an issue, because while the cars in Harris's test are the most representative of cars that should be used to find out which of these cars is the fastest, the driver is not. That's because you want the driver to be someone that has massive experience with the car, the person that knows every little trick and can extract the most from the car they've assisted in developing.

You want the factory test driver.

Of course, that's not impartial, but that's a good thing. You want the person driving the car to as biased towards it as possible, to have the knowledge of how to make it as fast as possible in any condition. These are people that live and breathe these cars, that wake up thinking about them and go to sleep dreaming of how to make them faster. They don't have to worry about finding the best way to drive the 918 and the LaFerrari on the same day, they just need to focus on one.

Factory test drivers would get rid of the final variable in the tests and give us the real story behind which of these cars is the fastest.

Will we ever see a test like that? Probably not. But until we do, we just don't know which car is actually, definitively, the quickest.

Source: http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...ar-is-fastest/
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Why does everyone run the P1 in the non street-legal mode with racing tyres while the 918 Spyder and La Ferrari are run in the street spec, and still get near identical lap times ? Is the P1 that bad in the pure street spec ?
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Why does everyone run the P1 in the non street-legal mode with racing tyres while the 918 Spyder and La Ferrari are run in the street spec, and still get near identical lap times ? Is the P1 that bad in the pure street spec ?
Perhaps the trofeo r tyres are what comes stock with the car. Also, if you read properly, they are street tyres that are just track focused not out and out race spec tyres. I wouldn't say that the P1 is bad. Again, if you read properly, it still got the quickest lap time with regular P Zero Corsa tyres in Chris Harris's test the Trofeo R tyres just enabled it to go even quicker.
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Perhaps the trofeo r tyres are what comes stock with the car. Also, if you read properly, they are street tyres that are just track focused not out and out race spec tyres. I wouldn't say that the P1 is bad. Again, if you read properly, it still got the quickest lap time with regular P Zero Corsa tyres in Chris Harris's test the Trofeo R tyres just enabled it to go even quicker.
They did it the non street-legal mode, with the lowered chassis.
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Why does everyone run the P1 in the non street-legal mode

Good point!
Somebody should have run it without the race mode just to see how much of a difference there is in lap times.
But running the P1 in 'Race mode' on a race track sounds legit to me. It is like a very advanced setting of the driving modes/manettino settings seen on the other two. One might argue why the 918 and LaF don't have a Race mode as advanced as the P1. Just saying.
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Finally, a mclaren that works!!!
In all probability, Clarkson hammond and may are opening with a head to head, when they do open.
Edit: Testing lap records at nurburgring is finished now, is it not?

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In all probability, Clarkson hammond and may are opening with a head to head, when they do open.
Edit: Testing lap records at nurburgring is finished now, is it not?
I think they just unbanned the lap record thing.

Coming to the topic, out of all those various tests, one thing is for sure, the 918 is always first or second in the trio. Speaks a lot about Porsche engineering even though it has least power of the three.
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I think they just unbanned the lap record thing.

Coming to the topic, out of all those various tests, one thing is for sure, the 918 is always first or second in the trio. Speaks a lot about Porsche engineering even though it has least power of the three.
Lowest power and highest weight.
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All the cars mentioned in this thread title are Hybrids. They come with a weight penalty (motors, batteries, etc) and a much higher level of efficiency (in the right situations).

The Koenigsegg One:1 isn't a truly fair comparison here, since it's not a hybrid.
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Edit: Testing lap records at nurburgring is finished now, is it not?


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I think they just unbanned the lap record thing.
The ban was an imposition of 'speed limits' on certain sections of the track which were found to be unsafe. It is going to be lifted in 2016 though.



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Coming to the topic, out of all those various tests, one thing is for sure, the 918 is always first or second in the trio. Speaks a lot about Porsche engineering even though it has least power of the three.


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Lowest power and highest weight.

These three words should explain it- All Wheel Drive. Ofcourse their engineering expertise too.
The P1 and LaF on the other hand are rear wheel drive and so struggle a little putting all that power down. That's the price you pay for being more "involving, emotional and fun-to-drive".
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The ban was an imposition of 'speed limits' on certain sections of the track which were found to be unsafe. It is going to be lifted in 2016 though.
It is official. The speed limits at Nurbugring are removed. Now lets see if Sweden rules the roost.

Source: Motortrend.
http://www.motortrend.com/news/speed...rgring-lifted/
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It is official. The speed limits at Nurbugring are removed. Now lets see if Sweden rules the roost.

Oh rule the roost they will! It's just a matter of by how much. And that too the Regera, to be more specific. Because that's the only 'egg that can be compared to the HYBRID holy trinity.
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