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Old 2nd March 2016, 09:49   #1
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According to a law suit recently filed against Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC, the German carmaker's "Clean Diesel" vehicles emit alarming levels of nitrogen oxide in the real world in comparison to lab tests. The case has been filed in the US District Court, Dist. of New Jersey and the plaintiff seeks a jury trial.

After VAG's diesel emission scandal, Mercedes-Benz has found itself in the cross-hairs of environmentalists. The suit claims that the real world test figures prove that Mercedes diesel cars with BlueTEC (technology) emit 65 times more nitrogen oxide gases (NOx) than the permissible limit set by the United States Environmental Protection Agency.

It further suggests that Mercedes admitted that the BlueTEC vehicles shut off the NOx reduction system when ambient temperatures drop below 50 degrees Fahrenheit and also under some other unspecified circumstances. Real world testing indicated that the cars produced NOx at an average of 603 mg/km (2,000 mg/kg in some cases), which is 7.5 times Euro 6 standard and 19 times higher than the US standard. Some instantaneous NOx values were recorded to be as high as 25 times Euro 6 standards and 65 times higher than the US standard.

The BlueTEC diesel engines are marketed as "the world's cleanest and most advance diesel engines", which supposedly emit up to 30% lower greenhouse-gas emissions than petrol engines. The engines are claimed to reduce nitrogen oxide exhaust gases by up to 90%.

The plaintiff seeks damages, injunctive relief and compensation for Mercedes' misconduct w.r.t. design, production, marketing, sale & lease of BlueTEC vehicles with non-permissible & unlawful emissions.

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According to a law suit recently filed against Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC, the German carmaker's "Clean Diesel" vehicles emit alarming levels of pollution in the real world in comparison to lab tests. The case has been filed in the US District Court, Dist. of New Jersey and the plaintiff seeks a jury trial for this case.

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Hmmm, so much for all the marketing done for the 'clean' diesel.

What saddens me the most is, we are at the brink of a climatic catastrophe and these Automotive giants thought its okay to destroy the World to make some money. I mean, what is the whole point then? to live in space suits after destroying everything around us?

Now i guess, the way forward is to test random cars from the road from 'all' manufacturers, and impose heavy penalties and ban production at plants of those found guilty until they restore what they did to the Earth!
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Seriously!

I agree that many automobile companies abide by the law and I also agree that any law once enforced, HAS to be strictly followed in business.

But, are the governments expecting too much from the automobile industry? Euro5..Euro6.. and so on?

There are so many things that the governments can parallely do, to ensure pollution is under control.

This is just my personal opinion. No offense please!

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According to a law suit recently filed against Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC, the German carmaker's "Clean Diesel" vehicles emit alarming levels of nitrogen oxide in the real world in comparison to lab tests.
This is the case with all manufacturers. Real world figures always differ from lab tests.

What I find concerning is:

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It further suggests that Mercedes admitted that the BlueTEC vehicles shut off the NOx reduction system when ambient temperatures drop below 50 degrees Fahrenheit and also under some other unspecified circumstances.
That is 10 degrees Celsius From November onward, so many USA cities are permanently below 50 degrees Fahrenheit! What Mercedes is saying is that the BlueTEC is switched off in winters. That is such a shame. In a place like Boston, this means that Mercedes diesels are over-polluting 5 to 6 months of the year.

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But, are the governments expecting too much from the automobile industry? Euro5..Euro6.. and so on?
No one has a problem in meeting Euro 6 norms. It's the American emission norms that diesels find hard to meet, and that's why you saw the VW morons cheating. I find the game simple - if you can't meet the emission norms with your diesels, well, don't sell them in the USA. Stick to petrols that have absolutely no problem in adhering to USA guidelines.
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Woo Hoo!!! I'm just loving it!

This is another gigantic exposé that demolishes the mighty myth of the so-called "clean diesel"!

Fantastic! Go US EPA! Go California ARB! Expose the dirty fuel for what it truly is!

Mercedes-Benz - an automobile manufacturer with a history that's as old as the automobile itself, the pioneer of diesel engined cars, a name that's synonymous with precision German engineering, maker of cars that carry the famed three-pointed star et cetera et cetera.

If even a name as hallowed as Mercedes-Benz cannot come up with diesel engined cars that truly meet the United States' stringent, sensible (i.e. fuel neutral) and very reasonable emission norms, then the problem must have less to do with engines and technology, and more with the fuel itself!

I'm sorry, diesel lovers! There are plenty of reasons why the dirty fuel (diesel obtained from crude oil) has earned that well-deserved tag. No amount of propagation of mighty myths about "clean diesel" is going to negate something as simple as that. And no amount of false vilification of something as essential to life as CO2 as a supposed "pollutant" is going to prevent the dirty fuel from being what it truly is!

The bloated Brussels-based bureaucracy (also known as the European Union) has been allowing the dirty fuel to get off very lightly so far, influenced as they are by the European diesel lobby (basically a Germano-Franco-Italiano-British diesel lobby) and the silly, clownish "CO2 is a deadly pollutant" brigades.

The international diesel lobby has finally met a worthy regulator in the form of the California Air Resources Board (and by extension the US EPA)!

Now that the dirty fuel has been exposed for what it truly is, the international diesel lobby is finally admitting the truth. They cannot get the dirty fuel to even meet the less stringent Euro 6 emission norms IF these norms are enforced in the correct manner!

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Well, the timing of this is not good. In the midst of Volkswagen's emissions cheating scandal, the European Automobile Manufacturers Association (ACEA) is claiming it won't be able to hit the stringent Euro 6 nitrogen oxide standards currently slated for the end of the decade.
Read more at: http://www.autoblog.com/2015/10/04/d...ndards-europe/

That would be something huge! Getting the proponents of the mighty myth about their "clean diesels" to admit they cannot even meet emission norms as tailor-made for diesels as the Euro 6 is like getting Lance Armstrong to admit he isn't the champ everyone thought him to be (when confronted with the evidence, of course)!

I feel happy for North Americans, especially the hapless United States citizens. Their entire environment has been so poisoned by carcinogenic junk everywhere, artificial growth hormones in meat, GMO crops, nuclear radiation, even fluoridated drinking water, extremely dubious vaccines et cetera, that the poor folks have been struggling with a cancer epidemic and many other conditions caused by dangerous man-made substances. The last thing they needed was filthy carcinogenic fumes emitted by the dirty fuel to add to the mighty long list of carcinogens in their environment.

On the other hand, I feel sad that the alert and watchful Western Europeans have allowed the European diesel lobby to belch out deadly carcinogens and respiratory disease causing filth into their atmosphere. Despite a stellar record of fighting against vested interests that have poisoned the environment and food supply across the pond, Europeans have been take for a royal ride by their diesel lobby. At least they're waking up now and are realising they've been conned. Better late than never!

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Whoa! First Volkswagen and now Mercedes? Let's see how this pans out, and if it does turn out to be true, how badly would it affect Mercedes in India as well, specially when they have been going strength to strength recently? Will they issue an honest recall or swipe it under the rug here? If this turns out to be 100% true, it will blow up in Mercedes' face big time.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...es-suit-claims
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-vo...-idUSKCN0VS0M3
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