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Old 6th October 2006, 07:21   #16
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The Veyron is pretty much a useless car for me - dont think ts worthwhile. What I wanna see is if the new Carrerra can reach the same cult status as the McLaren F1.
Useless ?.......I dont know about that but I know that not many can do 0-300 in 14secs .
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Veyron is definitely not useless, but it seems to be more of a straightline road rocket than a complete supercar package.

I guess it's meant for different tastes.

I'd love to see a comparison between the Veyron, Mclaren and CGT around a proper circuit though.
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The Veyron is pretty much a useless car for me - dont think ts worthwhile. What I wanna see is if the new Carrerra can reach the same cult status as the McLaren F1.
Come on sir How can u call the engineering milestone as useless?.Do you think all the effort and the design they put to make a production car to reach 400 Kmhr car on the road with all practical restriction as waste.

Pls read the facts and check what are the challenges the design engineers faced to put up this show.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/bugatti.htm
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Old 6th October 2006, 10:23   #19
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I must apologise I wasn't very concise in my previous post. When I meant useless, I meant.. well, useless because I really dont picture any Veyron owner on a racing circuit/track. In fact I dont think Veyron owners do a lot with their cars except tell people about how fast it CAN go and it CAN accelerate. Not really my cup of tea. If I'm gonna be spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a sportscar, I want it to perform like a proper sports car. If I want a dragster, I can get myself custom-built one for half the price... and more powerful.
I'd rather see the CGT, the McLaren F1, the Koenisegg CCX and the Pagani Zonda go head-to-head against each other on a track.
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Ranjan,
Why are you thinking the buggati can't be put on a race track.
Could you pls explain?.
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Old 6th October 2006, 11:15   #21
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I'd really like to see Mclaren get back into the fray with a new car. The F1 was such a brilliant machine, it's still faster than Enzo and other supercars...who knows what they can do with today's technology.
... i too would love to see a new McLaren F1 with the latest technology...
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Ranjan,
Why are you thinking the buggati can't be put on a race track.
Could you pls explain?.
Bugatti's Focus was never to build a Racetrack car, their idea was to make the fastest going road car ever, and they did that brilliantly well.
This car is more of Status Symbol, Snob Value, it's made for the billionaires to boast off, not for the Racers to drive on a racetrack primarily, I don't know yet its handling capabilities at a race like LeMans but on a tight race track it might get slaughtered.
Having a lot of Downforce keeping the car stable rock steady at high speeds and being able to corner well on a race track are two very very different things.
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Ferrari and Maserati make track cars,
Their Focus is not to make straightline bullets, the Enzo FX 1000 is a brilliantly fast car but if you notice all Tests of that car are on track, they never talk about straightline speed. To them it does not matter,
Even the people who are selected to own them get to be Ferrari Test Drivers along with buying Tracktime for the car.
whereas we all know how prospective Bugatti owners are selected, $$$$$$$$
If we see all the famous test drivers in the world, they Describe the Bugatti as the most astonishing piece of work on Road.
Bugatti though has not yet reached the cult Status a McLaren F1 had in terms of when it came out and what it did, cos that time there was no supercar that could Shatter the 200 Mph barrier with that much force, but now when the Bugatti came out there are so many supercars that it is difficult for Bugatti to attain that cult status.
Personally, I feel the Veyron's design is very focussed and looks more like a very sleek UFO than a car, a McLaren F1 that looks like a Fashion Statement, beautiful babe.
The Bugatti's interiors are imaculate, WOW! all that leather and the features, mouthwatering.

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I suggest you guys don't write off 9ff too easily. Though they do one offs for rich ones around the world, and stray away from the media more often then not, they are pretty well armed technologically. The guy who owns 9ff, is an ex-RUF man, I think. Also, about a year back, they had a 9ff Turbo based on the 996 Turbo that did a recorded 241 mph at Nardo at a Continental Tyre show off event. The car looked pretty undramatic on the outside. Owner drove in, drove to record the fastest time of the day, and left. I had posted a thread on the forum, quite some time back, should still be around.

Also, Porsche build massive tolerances into their cars, from what I have read. The engines are always underrated, though they are hugely capable. When the CGT was launched, there were mules in specific state of tunes that easily beat the Enzo in all dynamic aspects, but they chose to tune it down in what they though was the perfect compromise. With higely capable engines, they have aerodynamics to go with them.
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Before writing off the Veyron as "JUST" a road car, please refer to some of the articles on the net. There have been track tests of the Veyron, and all summarise that the mighty Bugatti handles as good as the Elise. In short, it belies it's weight very brilliantly.

The Mclaren was a brilliant supercar. I still love it. But I'm much more of a "heart" guy than looks. Hence my loyalty lies with the Bugatti. Just wish Bugatti had built the Veyron on the handsome EB110 lines.

I'm sure there's some lucky maniac who's bought a Veyron to tune it's guts out. Perhaps we can see a 275 Mph+ Veyron sometime in the not-too-distant future. Maybe from Bugatti themselves, if U.S regulations grant their whims soon enough. Yes, Bugatti has plans to build a lighter, perhaps RWD, up-tuned variant of the Veyron....
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Yes, Bugatti has plans to build a lighter, perhaps RWD, up-tuned variant of the Veyron....
I would love to see a Bugatti like that. Perhaps the Buggatti of old could be resurrected with a proper racing sports car, something a little less exclusive.
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Some more competition for the Bugatti from the mighty Corvette.
Made by Lingenfelter.
http://www.lingenfelter.com/05Corvette427tt1038hp.htm
At a much lesser price.
Personally I feel that the Veyron is nothing special. Remove the 4 turbos and the other "goodies" and see it's power output. Don't forget that it is a very heavy and wide car. IMO the 1001 HP is the maximum they can manage right now with the Veyron. It's tuned to its maximum potential.
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Even the people who are selected to own them get to be Ferrari Test Drivers along with buying Tracktime for the car.
whereas we all know how prospective Bugatti owners are selected, $$$$$$$$
Ferrari selects people for the FXX and the Enzo based on repeat purchases. One condition is that you must have purchased atleast 3 brand new Ferraris, to buy an Enzo.

Ferrari act like they are god, but their cars aren't the be-all and end-all. Not since the F40, IMHO, have they produced a car that was clearly the best by a wide margin.

Jay Leno said that McMerc owners were called to the Nurburgring, and Merc test tracks. Inputs were taken BEFORE building the cars. Each prospective owner was given hours of time on a test mule, and engineers listened attentively to their smallest complaints. Ferrari on the other hand, grant you the privilege of owning one.
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Personally I feel that the Veyron is nothing special. Remove the 4 turbos and the other "goodies" and see it's power output.
Take any turbo car and remove its turbos, and see the power output. Next someone is going to say, look at that Veyron, it's nothing special. Remove the engine and see its power output.

What "goodies"?
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Some more competition for the Bugatti from the mighty Corvette.
Made by Lingenfelter.
http://www.lingenfelter.com/05Corvette427tt1038hp.htm
At a much lesser price.
Personally I feel that the Veyron is nothing special. Remove the 4 turbos and the other "goodies" and see it's power output. Don't forget that it is a very heavy and wide car. IMO the 1001 HP is the maximum they can manage right now with the Veyron. It's tuned to its maximum potential.
Sujay the toughest part about designing Veyron was never the output , there are Skyline tuned to near 1000 bhp like u had said 2 - stage , 3 and even 4 stage can do the job , but whats much more significant is the traction available , the stability of the car at high speeds .... and I personally feel the engineers deserve a great deal of respect from the auto crazy fraternity coz they really did something remarkable , even the journalist all over the world said that . Common.....it is special .
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bugatti have already started thinking on a 1250 bhp revised bugatti, beat that!!!

the source : http://www.cartype.com/page.cfm?id=37

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