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Old 15th November 2016, 16:06   #1
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Jaguar has come up with a electric powered SUV which is expected to be near production ready and may launch by mid-2018. Having zilch knowledge about technical aspects of automobiles, I thought more knowledgeable members could be interested in the development.

Here's the excerpt from an article in Topgear

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Jaguar is going Tesla-hunting. This hunk of futurism is the new Jaguar I-Pace concept: a 394bhp, 4WD, pure electric SUV that’s the size of a Porsche Macan but has Cayenne levels of space inside. And it’s not a far-away vision of the future: you’ll be able to buy something virtually identical to it in mid-2018.

“It’s a concept car, but honestly it’s pretty close,” explains Jaguar design director Ian Callum. “There’s a few little details here and there that you won’t see in production, but most people won’t notice much of a difference. It’s really quite different from anything we’ve done before, or indeed anyone’s done before, really.”

He’s not wrong. If you’re having a hard time getting your head around the car’s proportions right now, that’s because they’re the polar opposite to its running mate, the F-Pace. By starting with what Callum calls a “skateboard” platform – a flat battery between the axles with an electric motor at either end, all developed in-house – he and his team had total freedom to place things wherever they wanted.

“There’s no point in a long bonnet because it doesn’t have a great six-cylinder engine like the E-Type. I found it fascinating that we could take an SUV and give it the characteristic of a mid-engine sports car in its profile because you’re bringing the cab forward and nestling it between the wheels,” explains Callum.
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Feel proud that such a futuristic, technically cutting edge product will be produced by a company, which is owned by one of the business groups of our country.

Waiting for the day when such technology percolates down to our shores, for us to experience and enjoy.

Keep revvin' JLR (and Tata Motors)

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This is looking good. Both design and spec wise.

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Jaguar is seriously on a roll, all thanks to....you guessed it, product & design. The only other luxury car manufacturer who I can say this for is Mercedes. Both of these marques are making more money than ever before because of great products & fabulous designs. What amazing turnaround stories.

If I were Tesla, I'd be damn worried. Sure, Tesla got a jump on everyone else in EVs. But the big boys are now catching up. Luxury EVs will no longer be a Tesla USP. With bigger R&D bucks, brands like Mercedes will easily overtake Tesla. The Model S was impressive at the time of its launch; now however, it's starting to look dated. And you can't even compare its interior to that of an S-Class.
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Live images from the unveiling at the LA Motor Show:


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If I were Tesla, I'd be damn worried. Sure, Tesla got a jump on everyone else in EVs. But the big boys are now catching up. Luxury EVs will no longer be a Tesla USP. With bigger R&D bucks, brands like Mercedes will easily overtake Tesla. The Model S was impressive at the time of its launch; now however, it's starting to look dated. And you can't even compare its interior to that of an S-Class.
I have a slightly different take on this because Tesla as an electric car brand is already cool and aspirational in the same mould as iPhone is cool and aspirational. Because it is already cool and aspirational, someone will have to come with a product comprehensively better or atleast as good as Tesla at the atleast same price. The problem with that is Tesla has a head start and that head start is the Giga factory which is the single largest lithium ion battery plant in the world, by far and away the most important component of an electric automobile and is in construction for the past few years. The sheer scale favors Tesla which means they can churn out a lot of EV's quicker and cheaper and probably better specc'd.

Lets also not forget the charging infrastructure which Tesla has already built around the globe, a massive exercise in itself. Combine all this and you will realise that Tesla has built itself a far bigger lead compared to other manufacturers which are still releasing concept EV cars.

In phone parlance, that is like getting an all round better iPhone which is cheaper than an equivalent Android phone with market supply not restricted by the supply chain. Infact if the future is EVs then every big automobile manufacturer today should be really worried.
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If I were Tesla, I'd be damn worried. Sure, Tesla got a jump on everyone else in EVs. But the big boys are now catching up. Luxury EVs will no longer be a Tesla USP. With bigger R&D bucks, brands like Mercedes will easily overtake Tesla. The Model S was impressive at the time of its launch; now however, it's starting to look dated. And you can't even compare its interior to that of an S-Class.
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I have a slightly different take on this because Tesla as an electric car brand is already cool and aspirational in the same mould as iPhone is cool and aspirational...

...In phone parlance, that is like getting an all round better iPhone which is cheaper than an equivalent Android phone with market supply not restricted by the supply chain. Infact if the future is EVs then every big automobile manufacturer today should be really worried.
You're forgetting the software. What changed the mobile industry after the iPhone wasn't the hardware, as good as that was, it was the software. None of the others could catch up in software and they had to shut down. And no one does software better than San Francisco.

All of these factors combined, and Tesla is the ape in a dinosaur world of internal combustion engines.

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This is the first EV that looks really good in my opinion.

Looks can be subjective but there is no denying how beautiful the I-Pace is.

Jaguar says the car charges fully in 2 hours with a range of 220 miles (on the US cycle which is quite realistic)
EVs sure have come a long way and maybe in the next 5 years or so, they could really prove to be a practical alternative to the internal combustion engine.

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Tesla as an electric car brand is already cool and aspirational in the same mould as iPhone is cool and aspirational.
I completely agree. However, let's not forget that Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar etc. aren't exactly an HTC or Samsung. They have immense brand value too.

What's more, the big boys have larger R&D budgets (especially Mercedes) and a solid worldwide presence. Tesla is still burning money and has the USA as its primary market.

But getting back to the main matter, Tesla's USP has been electric. That USP is fast diminishing.

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Lets also not forget the charging infrastructure which Tesla has already built around the globe
No doubt, it's quite a head start. But as EVs get more & more mainstream, these will become very low barriers to entry. Many more charging options will come up (including Governments investing in the same), as will battery suppliers.
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I completely agree. However, let's not forget that Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar etc. aren't exactly an HTC or Samsung. They have immense brand value too.
I am not denying the fact that they have immense brand value, it is just not in the same space. Tesla is already beating the big boys at their own game.
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/10/14/t...-luxury-sedan/

Also, an EV is a completely different ball game primarily because an electric motor is not a complex piece, but the batteries that supply the energy and the software that runs behind in the background managing all this are indeed complex. Who would have thought that a car could get new features via a software upgrade while it is standing still in your garage. And as a previous poster said, no one does software better than San Frans. Again Tesla is not a traditional car company in the sense that it is equally focused at software as it is to batteries and electric motors.

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What's more, the big boys have larger R&D budgets (especially Mercedes) and a solid worldwide presence. Tesla is still burning money and has the USA as its primary market.
Agreed but the primary reason why they have these budgets is because they have a large model range. Tesla sells a grand total of 2 models, the model s and the model x. Everything else are mainly variants which are relatively easier to manage compared to a traditional car with different engines and gearboxes combinations and then different specs.

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No doubt, it's quite a head start. But as EVs get more & more mainstream, these will become very low barriers to entry. Many more charging options will come up (including Governments investing in the same), as will battery suppliers.
Tesla is an EV only company and thats a big big advantage because it gives them focus. I am not sure how a traditional car company will have the same focus when they "also" start making the EV's.

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I completely agree. However, let's not forget that Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar etc. aren't exactly an HTC or Samsung. They have immense brand value too.
So did Nokia, Blackberry & Windows Phone. Today the only two mobile computing platforms that you think about buying did not even exist 10 years ago.

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No doubt, it's quite a head start. But as EVs get more & more mainstream, these will become very low barriers to entry
It's not just the capabilities of the existing behemoths. It's the intent. It is the same dilemma every industry "giant" faces. They carry inertia. For the way they're doing things. They're invested in the existing way of doing things. They've developed this, and this old way is giving them lots and lots of money right now. While the new guy has momentum and a will to disrupt.

The biggest advantage the old behemoths enjoy is the mechanical part of developing a car. The ICE is extremely complex with millimetre precision required for 100s, if not thousands of components. The electric engine completely flips that around.

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Tesla is an EV only company and thats a big big advantage because it gives them focus. I am not sure how a traditional car company will have the same focus when they "also" start making the EV's.
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Jaguar has already started testing the i Pace test mule;

The I-Pace: Jaguar's Electric SUV-2019jaguaripacemulestilllookslikeababyfpace_3.jpg

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