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Old 17th May 2017, 16:00   #1
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Default How safety has evolved! ANCAP crash test of 1998 vs 2015 Toyota Corolla

Airbags are now commonplace, while safety structures have greatly improved. As expected, the 2015 Corolla crushes the 1998 model which is completely destroyed!

You're a lot more likely to walk out of a crash in a modern car than an old one. A good reminder if you're still driving a model from the 90s, or thinking of getting one used.



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This testing clearly shows the world has moved a long way with regards to vehicle safety. But the Indian car industry seems way behind.
Even now, we see lots of cars without even an airbag! Waiting for the day when the government ensures each car and each model will have at least some basic safety equipment.
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Firstly, cheers to the engineers! They probably have prevented more injuries and saved more lives then any other profession!

The slow motion video shows the new car intruding into the older car's cabin. The newer car's cabin is secure with minimal intrusions. This, I believe shows that it is important to have a structurally solid car before having airbags. Not sure how much airbags would help in a car which is structurally weak to bear an impact.

Another question would be, what if two new Corollas crash into each other in this test. Will both of their cabins be intact? I would assume so, but still could be a good demonstration of how modern structures work to distribute force of impact around the cabin and trying to keep occupants safer.
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Came across a similar crash test video between the outdated Nissan Tsuru and the modern 2016 Nissan Versa. The Tsuru was on sale at Mexico and the Versa was on sale at the United states. Both are cheap sedans but the Versa is a much more modern engineered car than the Tsuru.

The modern cars have much better safety devices-
Keeping airbags aside what we see from both the video's are, in the modern cars the cabin remains intact. The crumple zone works much better and the roof of the car does not cave in. Over all the structural integrity of the versa fared much better just like the new Corolla compared to the 1999 Corolla. Its amazing how safety has evolved over the years. Most modern cars with air bags and abs are really safe, we could just hope its driven by a sane guy to make it safer!

The good thing from Nissan is after this test they stopped selling Tsuru in Mexico.

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On the same lines, Toyota stopped selling the Echo in MENA (Middle East and North Africa Region) and replaced it with the Yaris. The Echo was one of the worst cars as far as passenger safety was concerned.

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This video highlights one of the main reasons that I moved from the 1st-gen City Vtec to the Civic. Just wasn't confident with the Vtec on highway runs.

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Even now, we see lots of cars without even an airbag! Waiting for the day when the government ensures each car and each model will have at least some basic safety equipment.
That day isn't too far away - Indian cars will soon be crash tested and have airbags as standard.

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That day isn't too far away - Indian cars will soon be crash tested and have airbags as standard.

Apart from testing the cars , educating the consumer should be taken care off. I have noticed in a lot of car showrooms the customer is just not asking the right questions on safety. The talks that I have overheard is mainly on mileage, touch screen infotainment with navigation and now the latest one is drls.

Once the mandatory crash tests are in place the government should make it mandatory for the car companies to put a crash rating sticker on the car, Just like we have power consumption ratings on white goods. At least then, the consumer will start asking about the ratings and the manufacturers will surely be embarrassed to display stickers with low safety ratings on their cars.
Imagine Renault trying to sell their solid looking duster with a zero star or a 2 star safety sticker pasted on the front windshield.

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On the same lines, Toyota stopped selling the Echo in MENA (Middle East and North Africa Region) and replaced it with the Yaris. The Echo was one of the worst cars as far as passenger safety was concerned.
Talking of the Yaris and ANCAP safety ratings on the same page, reminds me that I need to pen down my thoughts and research while buying a car for our daughter in Melbourne last month.

I wanted a car with ANCAP 3.5 stars or 4 stars, but nothing seemed to fit into our budget. A 30% increase in the budget was required. ANCAP 5 stars was not affordable - these are cars sold from model year 2011 onwards, with at least 6 airbags, ESC, traction control and rollover mitigation (compulsory in Australia from 2011).

So we shortlisted a few makes and models, with ANCAP 3.5/4 stars, and these included:
  • Toyota Yaris
  • Honda Jazz
  • Hyundai Getz
  • Swift (1.5L)
  • the Alto, which is the A-Star in India

The Alto, from model year 2011 (now discontinued), was ANCAP 4 star, but Suzuki recommends 93RON (or above) petrol for it. One gets 91RON and 95 RON, but not 93RON - and Suzukis don't take E10 petrol (the others in the list do). 95 RON being a fair bit more expensive, we decided against the Alto finally. But then, these Manesar-built Altos come with 6 airbags, ABS, EBD, traction control, ESC, cruise control and rollover mitigation (to go up to ANCAP 4 stars). That list of safety features is unheard of in MSIL cars sold in India!

The Yaris, especially the 3 door version, on the other hand, is built strong. With 2 airbags, seatbelt pretensioners, ABS and EBD, it scores a respectable ANCAP 4 stars - take a look at this page: https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-rati...a/yaris/c5db36, and the video (with 6 airbags):

How safety has evolved! ANCAP crash test of 1998 vs 2015 Toyota Corolla-yaris-ancap.jpg

The bodyshell integrity is impressive, and we put a 2006 model with almost 250,000 km on the top of our list because of the price; went & saw it the first day we landed there, and were so pleased that we bought it right then!

How safety has evolved! ANCAP crash test of 1998 vs 2015 Toyota Corolla-yaris.jpeg

Now, as ALTIMAed mentioned to me in off-forum discussions, it's a 11-year-old car with lots of mileage, and he hoped I'd gone over it with an electron microscope before buying! Well, I checked it out reasonably closely, and the engine and mechanicals were fine - but the government checked out a lot of other stuff for me, because the car had to clear its Certificate of Roadworthiness (RWC) before I could register it in my daughter's name. Read more about it here: https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/regi...roadworthiness.

Now, with the RWC, the car gets a complete check of multiple systems, including safety systems, and the check report is valid for 1 month. In this month, I, as the buyer, can point out to the dealer (and VicRoads) if there are any deficiencies related to the RWC, which were not corrected before he sold the car to me, and the RWC tester can be heavily penalised for missing out on these - so the RWC tester makes triple sure that everything is in order before issuing the certificate.

So what do they check?
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  • Wheels and Tyres
  • steering and Suspension
  • Brakes
  • Seats and Seat Belts
  • Lamps, Signals, Reflectors etc.
  • Exhaust and Emission Controls
  • Windscreen and Windows
  • Windscreen Wpers, Washers etc.
  • Body and Chassis
  • Engine and Driveline
  • Other Items
Details are available in this document:
RWC.pdf

I could therefore buy the car in peace, and over the next week or so, check out at leisure if everything was all right - and if not, I could go back to the dealer and point out problems. Such as, the parking light switch had gone kaput (he had it replaced free of charge).
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That day isn't too far away - Indian cars will soon be crash tested and have airbags as standard.
Allow me to be very sceptical here. The testing standards would be nowhere close to global standards. Car makers will lobby to lower the crash test parameters, and airbags will continue to be nominally fitted and designed not to work at critical times, even as multiple reports pour in even now about shortcuts being adopted for airbags, and how they refuse to activate or protect occupants. And something like the RWC would not happen in any stringent fashion, in my lifetime.

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This is the reason for me to get rid of my wonderful Ford Ikon 1.6. An awesome driving machine with zero safety features - not at all ideal.

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Came across a similar crash test video between the outdated Nissan Tsuru and the modern 2016 Nissan Versa. The Tsuru was on sale at Mexico and the Versa was on sale at the United states. Both are cheap sedans but the Versa is a much more modern engineered car than the Tsuru.
On this note… It will be interesting if Toyota try a similar test between their new Corolla and the India-specific Etios!
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A 30% increase in the budget was required. ANCAP 5 stars was not affordable - these are cars sold from model year 2011 onwards, with at least 6 airbags, ESC, traction control and rollover mitigation (compulsory in Australia from 2011).
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The bodyshell integrity is impressive, and we put a 2006 model with almost 250,000 km on the top of our list because of the price; went & saw it the first day we landed there, and were so pleased that we bought it right then!
If safety is a top priority, it's best to buy used . Go certified if peace-of-the-mind is mandatory. Whatever the budget, you can buy a safer used car than a new one.

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But then, these Manesar-built Altos come with 6 airbags, ABS, EBD, traction control, ESC, cruise control and rollover mitigation (to go up to ANCAP 4 stars). That list of safety features is unheard of in MSIL cars sold in India!
Hate these double standards.

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This is the reason for me to get rid of my wonderful Ford Ikon 1.6. An awesome driving machine with zero safety features - not at all ideal.
Not only the absence of safety features, but the poor braking ability alone makes the Ikon 1.6 a dangerous car.
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