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Old 6th July 2007, 09:32   #16
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But i have read that Common Rail Direct injection was developed by FIAT. And at a later stage, they sold the rights to Bosch (big mistake, i thought, after reading that)


I donot think they sold exclusive rights to osch. They still retain the tech rights and manufacturing rights . Magneto marelli also produces crdi kits .
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The 1st basic Commonrail technology was prototyped by a Swiss scientist and first used on production vehicles by Hino in it's heavy vehicles.

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The common rail system prototype was developed in the late 1960s by Robert Huber of Switzerland. After that, Ganser of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology developed the common rail technology further. In the mid-nineties, Dr. Shohei Itoh and Masahiko Miyaki, of the Denso Corporation, a Japanese automotive parts manufacturer, developed the Common Rail Fuel System for Heavy Duty Vehicles and finally turned into its first practical use on their ECD-U2 Common Rail system, which was mounted on the Hino Raising Ranger truck and sold for general use in 1995.
The more modern Commonrail using electronics, as we see now, was evolved from the original design by Fiat and it's partner Magnetti Marelli and later on sold to Bosch.

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The modern ECU controlled common rail system whilst working on the same principle, is controlled by an electronic control unit which opens each injector electronically, rather than mechanically. This was extensively prototyped in the 1990s, with collaboration between Magneti Marelli, Centro Ricerche Fiat and Elasis. After research and development by the Fiat Group, the design was acquired by the German company Robert Bosch GmbH for completion of development and making suitable for mass-production. In 1997 they extended its use for passenger cars. The first passenger car that used the common rail system was the 1997 model Alfa Romeo 156 1.9 JTD and later on that same year Mercedes-Benz E 320 CDI.
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The more modern Commonrail using electronics, as we see now, was evolved from the original design by Fiat and it's partner Magnetti Marelli and later on sold to Bosch.
Yup!

This is what i was talking about.
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take a look at the Honda Accord diesel for Europe. state of the art and beats the Euro designs in a few areas.
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take a look at the Honda Accord diesel for Europe. state of the art and beats the Euro designs in a few areas.
Honda CTDi? Ford TDCi? GM TCDi? Boy! This could be confusing!

Have a look at this! From carpages, UK
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The Honda Accord is powered by a 2.2 i-CDTi 16V DOHC common rail direct Injection turbodiesel engine which produces 140 PS at 4000 rpm enabling it to accelerate from 0-62 mph in 9.5 seconds and continue to a top speed of 131 mph.


The diesel engine is exceptionally refined combining responsive acceleration with low engine noise and vibration.Some members of the press defy to you to know that it is a diesel but of course diesel engines have different characteristics to petrol engines and yes you do know its a diesel but it is undoubtedly a class leading one. It is very quiet on the move and only on starting the engine with the window down do you hear the characteristic diesel chatter putting both BMW's 4-cylinder 2.0 litre and Mercedes-Benz's 5-cylinder 270 CDI engines to shame
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What has always happened is that the Europeans have shown the way and the Japanese excelled in it, by that time, the Europeans were into something else (but new). So there is pretty much a cat and mouse game. Apart from VTEC there isn't much that the Japs have achieved in terms of innovation, but they have been great at refining introduced concepts. So its just a matter of time before they make great Common Rail and then Gasolene Direct Injection.

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