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Old 17th October 2008, 12:57   #31
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This would be some serious competition to the Q7, then !!
The irony is that either ways the cats in their bag Wouldn't really call it competition when you milk profits in both cases.
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Old 17th October 2008, 15:03   #32
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The irony is that either ways the cats in their bag Wouldn't really call it competition when you milk profits in both cases.
Yup, your right Sahil !

But I would prefer a Cayenne with the 3.0 TDI over the Q7.
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Old 17th October 2008, 15:19   #33
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Good thing. Especially if they continue to limit joint development to the the cayenne toureg kind, where they look like totally different cars.
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Old 17th October 2008, 21:03   #34
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joint development

From the line "Joint Development" is it possible for the next sleuth of VW products having Porsche engineering rather than the other way round as has been the case so far.

In that case i think we would have to wait and watch. Maybe the next Octy RS could be given that Cayman V8!!!!!!!! Can't rule out any possibilities as long as its Porsche.

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Old 17th October 2008, 21:32   #35
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I for one didn't want this happening. Rules out the possibility of a future lambo or R8/R10 outperforming the 911's.
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Old 18th October 2008, 13:17   #36
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Seems to me, here is an opportunity to buy some pretty cheap stock, when the market turns.
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The minnow continues to swallow the whale; .. Why is this story significant?
The automotive landscape is again being redrawn before our very eyes ... in a world where the Volkswagen Empire now produces everything from the Bugatti Veyron, the Audi R8 and the Lamborghini Murcielago, you can see why Porsche might be throwing its weight around.
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Porsche's VW stake alone is worth about twice Porsche's stock-market value.

VW has a stock-market value exceeding $125 billion, bigger than that of BMW, Daimler, Fiat and Renault-Nissan combined.

It's simplistic, but if you believe Porsche will take control of VW, you're paying nothing for Porsche.
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Old 27th October 2008, 20:41   #37
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I got along this news that Porsche plans to raise its stake in VW to 75% in 2009.

Source: Porsche Reveals Plans to Raise VW stake to 75% in 2009

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Porsche continues its bid to gain a controlling interest in VW, announcing on Sunday that it will raise its stake in Germany's largest automaker from its current 42.6 % to 75 % by 2009. The company also said it would reach a 50 % stake in VW by December. Porsche also owns another 31.5% of VW in cash-settled options, which is not the same as direct equity stake.

Under German law, control of a company requires 75% share of the vote at any given stockholder meeting. But VW has traditionally required an 80% share, giving the government of Lower-Saxony, which owns a minority stake in VW, addtional power over the company. The German state of Lower-Saxony, along with the worker's council which represents VW's organised labor, is opposed to Porsche taking control of VW.

VW's stock has been hit by the volatility caused by the current financial crisis, with its stock soaring and then falling again in recent weeks, but has increased in value by 77% over the last 12 months due to investor support for Porsche's takeover bid.
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Old 29th October 2008, 03:06   #38
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Porsche is moving to take control of VW. They have increased their stake in VW to 42.6% and hold options for 31.5%, which when they exercise will take their stake in VW to 74.1%, good enough to call VW a Porsche subsidiary!!

Porsche closes in on control of VW - International Herald Tribune

What really amazes me is that Porsche, one of the smallest manufacturers in the world (albeit one of the best) effectively controls the third largest manufacturer in the world! Look at the brands Porsche now controls
a. Porsche
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d. Lamborghini
e. Bentley
f. Bugatti
g. SEAT
h. Skoda

It ought to be a case study in management.
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Old 29th October 2008, 03:16   #39
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it does make sense to take this up as a case study in management. I wonder how they did it...... any idea people?
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Porshce has already taken control over vW and is planning to raise its stake to more than 70 % by 2009.
I think we already have a thread on this.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/intern...cquire-vw.html
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Technically speaking VW actually controls all the companies mentioned here.

Porsche has increased its stake in VW as a firm. But still all .e.g. : Skoda, Seat, Bugatti. . are still owned by VW.

Yes its a case study as how porsche became so cash rich, but on hindsight, other than the R8, the porsche is the ONLY supercar which can be used daily.
Hence maybe they are so cash rich to invest in VW.


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Old 29th October 2008, 15:07   #42
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Porsche is a hedge fund that makes cars. They have actually outsmarted the short sellers (folks who borrow shares at a high price to sell, in order to buy back later at a low price). All betted that VW would sink in the current crisis. Porsche had fun and beat them at their game! Only problem, they are Porsches customers! Well they can buy VW's now!
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Technically speaking VW actually controls all the companies mentioned here.

Porsche has increased its stake in VW as a firm. But still all .e.g. : Skoda, Seat, Bugatti. . are still owned by VW.
I didnt get what you were trying to convey. Can you explain again, please?
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Old 29th October 2008, 15:35   #44
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As of yesterday, VW was the world's most valuable company!

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Old 29th October 2008, 15:52   #45
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Very Interesting if Porsche acquired VW...Will they rebadge cars?
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