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Old 23rd February 2004, 00:38   #1
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Well heres McMerc's answer to the Ferrari 360 Modena and the Lamborghini Gallardo. Code-named, P8, the car has a 6.3 L V8, naturally aspirated engine producing around 500bhp. Priced at around $450,000, its more expensive than its competitors.







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Old 23rd February 2004, 01:42   #2
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If you had to show me this 5 years back, I'd never believe that such a design would ever make it to the roads. But thats exactly what I thought when I saw the PT Cruiser, the current gen 7 series, some Chrysler etc. before they were launched, at car shows or in magazines.

Simply put, I hate its. Neither do I like the SLR's. Man, they should have just stuck to making the Mclaren F1's

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You bet. The F1s are the some of the finest pieces of machinery ever produced.
Perhaps that's what 627 horses, a v12 and 6000 diligent hours on the assembly line do.
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The deisgn is good. Car looks well balanced and elegant.

However, i'd have prefered it to have a Opel or VW logo instead of the Merc logo. It's not that Merc doesn't make good cars, but the fact is that this design would look better if it were to be made by the names mentioned above.

It's a very good looking car, but it's just not a Mercedes anymore.

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Quote[/b] (Shan2nu @ July 21 2004,16:42)]However, i'd have prefered it to have a Opel or VW logo instead of the Merc logo. It's not that Merc doesn't make good cars, but the fact is that this design would look better if it were to be made by the names mentioned above.
Very very true!! I totally agree!
Interesting....

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Almost all the cars ever built by Mercedes have some sort of link or resemblence to each other.

Take the SLR or even the CLK GTR for example, one look and you know it's a Merc. But with this, even the most die hard Merc fan will find it difficult to name the make, provided you've removed all the Merc logos and that he hasn't seen or heard about this car before.

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Seriously, I didnt like it either the pricing is wayyyyy too more then 360 CS
The Old Gen. Mercs wer much better .....
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Well...Shan2nu...i guess that Merc is gearing up for the future...and the future Mercs may look like these!
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Quote[/b] (shravan316 @ July 21 2004,20:46)]Well...Shan2nu...i guess that Merc is gearing up for the future...and the future Mercs may look like these!
True Shravan,

But look at other companies like Porsche... look how beautifully they have evolved towards the future... (except the 997 seems a step backwards ...anyway

My point is that there is not a SINGLE mercedes design cue in the styling of this car except the rear lights which could be linked to the SLR.

Its good looking....but id just be more accepting if it wasn't a merc

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This is a 2008 concept car...maybe, Merc are getting out cars earlier than 2008 that will bridge the gap. Just maybe...
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28.02.2004. Mercedes McLaren P8 aims for supercar playground in 2008

The SLR was just the first shot: Mercedes-Benz and McLaren are beyond planning stages for a mid-engine, V8-powered supercar with sights set on Ferrari’s 360 Modena and Ford’s GT. The project car—though only in its formative stage—has a dedicated group looking into its engineering, manufacturing, sales and marketing feasibility, and is codenamed P8. If given approval in the coming months, P8, which would slot between the robust SL65 AMG and the SLR McLaren, could be on the streets testing by late 2006 and in showrooms by late 2007.


2008 MERCEDES McLAREN P8
ON SALE: Late 2007
BASE PRICE: $200,000 (est.)
POWERTRAIN: 6.3-liter, 500-hp, 516-lb-ft V8; rwd, seven-speed automatic
CURB WEIGHT: 3000 pounds (est.)
0-60 MPH: 3.9 seconds (est.)

The P8, depicted here as an artist’s rendering, is officially only a concept. Clearly, management from both Mercedes-Benz and the McLaren Formula One super team would like to put a car like P8 into production. “Yes, we are looking at a mid-engine road car,” Mercedes boss Jьrgen Hubbert told AutoWeek last week. “But there is no decision on production.” Before production can happen, M-B and McLaren board members must give P8 unanimous approval.

What gives credence to the likelihood of P8 seeing production? News that ultra-performance car guru Neil Hannemann, the engineering mind behind the Dodge Viper, Saleen S7 and the Ford GT, left the friendly confines of Ford in Dearborn Jan. 31 for a job as engineering director at McLaren.

P8 also makes smart business sense. The SLR is built in the new McLaren Technology Center in Woking, England, a reported $300 million investment already made by both Mercedes and McLaren. Only by expanding the model product lines of this collaborative effort can that investment be amortized.

There is also ego at stake—M-B and McLaren compete with Ferrari in Formula One on racetracks around the world and want to take on the Italians in the performance street car arena. Perhaps another spur in the side to do this car is knowledge that rival Audi is at an advanced stage with its own mid-engine supercar, the Le Mans, using the Lamborghini Gallardo underpinnings (AW, Feb. 16).


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STAR POWER: McLAREN BRAND MAY APPEAR ON MERCEDES SUPERCARS
Mercedes-Benz's first mid-engine supercar for the road may end up wearing a McLaren badge instead of the familiar three-pointed star. Officials from the German carmaker do not rule out the creation of a range of mid-engine supercars under the McLaren name. McLaren, along with Smart, Maybach, Mercedes-Benz and AMG, forms part of what is referred to as the Mercedes-Benz Car Group-itself a key component of the giant DaimlerChrysler concern.
The idea would be to use the McLaren name, which has a high-tech image thanks to its considerable success in F1 racing and its earlier F1 road car project, as a direct rival to Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche. "It wouldn't be impossible to build up a supercar brand with the name," says Mercedes' Jьrgen Hubbert.


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Though many specifics of the program remain speculation, some of what we know about the direction of both Mercedes and McLaren opens a window on what such a sports car could be like. Why mid-engine? “If you see the competition in the segment, they are only mid-engine,” says Hubbert. “In McLaren and especially (McLaren’s) Gordon Murray, we have vast experience with mid-engine cars.”

Hubbert stressed the Mercedes supercar bears no relationship to the mid-engine ME Four-Twelve concept shown by Chrysler at Detroit. Mercedes engine-tuner AMG merely provided the 850-hp quad-turbo V12 for that concept, which Hubbert doubts will see production.

The high-tech SLR, with its 0-to-60-mph time of 3.7 seconds and 204-mph top speed, has proven both companies can compete in the supercar arena. However, this new mid-engine contender is a tougher assignment, not least because it must be built to a tighter budget and with an eye toward larger sales volumes than the targeted 500 annual build rate of SLR.

This is not the first mid-engine road car Mercedes-Benz has considered. The striking C112 concept back in 1991 nearly made it to showrooms but was abandoned due to a downturn in the world’s economy. Also, the company’s CLK GTR was built in small numbers in 1998 to satisfy the FIA’s sports car regulations, though it was very much a race car modified for road use.

In McLaren, Mercedes-Benz has a partner that knows well how to apply mid-engine design to road performance. The firm’s celebrated F1 road car may be a decade old, but few would argue it still ranks as the most accomplished supercar ever placed into production.

These illustrations reveal how the baby M-B McLaren supercar could look, though wind-tunnel testing will undoubtedly change the package by the time it appears. Chances are a convertible will get the nod, insiders say.

It is reasonable to think P8 will use the same lightweight carbon fiber monocoque construction as the SLR, and incorporate features such as Mercedes’ Pre-Safe early warning system that triggers safety systems in the event of an impending crash. Engineers are striving to keep weight to 3000 pounds, or close to that of the 360 Modena and Gallardo. “Anything lower would be utopian, given the stringent crash standards the new car will need to adhere to, both in Europe and the U.S.,” said an AutoWeek source. The ME Four-Twelve beat this weight target with similar equipment and a bigger engine but no price target.

Expect serious attention to weight distribution to maximize handling, with 42 percent front and 58 percent rear weight bias the likely target. We know Mercedes and Michelin are developing a two-compound tire that could make it to P8. Given M-B’s penchant for high-tech gadgets, the P8 is likely to employ the latest in electronic driver aids, too.

AutoWeek can reveal top-secret details about the P8’s powerplant. Codenamed M156, it is an all-new normally aspirated 6.3-liter V8 that is also destined to power future AMG versions of the E-, CLS-, S-, CL- and SL-Class cars.

The aluminum-block unit is based on Mercedes’ M273-designated four-valve-per-cylinder V8 due out next year, an engine that develops a reliable 500 hp on the engine dyno, say highly placed sources. A twin-turbocharged version that churns out a mammoth 700 hp is in early development, though that mill has not yet received the production green light.

The M156 is being developed under AMG engine boss Rolf Zimmermann, who is the mastermind behind the 367-hp normally aspirated and 500-hp supercharged 5.4-liter V8 powerplants in AMG models now. Zimmermann also developed the 555-hp 7.3-liter V12 engine that powers the Pagani Zonda S.

Mystery still surrounds the gearbox choice for the new car. All of Mercedes’ recent performance cars—SLR included—get a beefed-up automatic transmission that runs the company’s so-called Speedshift electronics, which make for quicker gear changes.

Sources tell AutoWeek the most likely scenario is a reworked version of the new Mercedes 7G-Tronic unit. With torque converter lock-up on each of its seven forward gears, and electronics that allow it to skip ratios on kickdown, it could turn the monster output into scintillating performance—though without the tactile feel of a manual like those in the 360 Modena and Ford GT. The torque limit for this gearbox is well within what the V8 engine could produce.

As the car still awaits a production green flag, there is no firm on-sale date for P8. Still, insiders hint 2008-model-year examples will hit the road by the end of 2007—or just 46 months from now. We are told the business case for a mid-engine supercar centers on annual global sales of 800, which seems low; in fact, flexible assembly methods can allow production to increase to around 1500 a year if necessary.

And the price? Positioned between the SL65 AMG and the SLR, industry analysts predict a price tag for the two-seater of around $200,000—a slight premium over the current 360 Modena and a healthy $60,000 more than the $140,000 Ford GT. Still, that is a fraction of the $1.2 million a used McLaren F1 will cost now.

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So its actually a baby SLR, therefore the price 450k as previously mentioned is not right..the more realistic price as provided by the autoweek is around 200k, same as the 360 and galladro...speaking of galladro, its not that expensive if you look at it, the performance it delivers is electrifying...@ 120k euros, it would be the same price as an SL55, now I wonder which to buy ..and still faster than the 50k more expesnive 65AMG...

on road india price of about 1.55 cr i guess..25 odd cheaper than continental gt.

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Firstly, this image is from the conceptual artists at AutoCar UK and NOT McLaren Mercedes. This car is still under discussions since they want to make a more focused mid-engined light supercar and not fill in with unnecesary stuff. And I don't know where you got the price but 400k is waaaaaaaaay too much. Since this is more of a 430, Gallardo etc. competitor, it will be around 200-220k.
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