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Old 20th May 2005, 01:04   #46
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ok ported so Porsche can make best car in every category?just because u like them does not mean anyone doing well in something can do better in everything.

anyways not many will buy a Porsche luxury saloon over a Mercedes luxury saloon.

also i feel we should add a chatroom to this forum called a Argument Chamber.Listining GTO....

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Evo and impreza are not roadsters.
I was talking about the diff between a sophisticated car and an enthusiast's car.

With the SL 65, the point of having a roadster is lost. It wouldn't have made a diff if the SL65 came with just 350bhp. Infact, i'd have prefered it with a proper manual box (even if it had just 350bhp).

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Shan2nu they have not given the SL65 604bhp to make it any faster but only to make some people happier than others.LikeI have a more powerful car than JC and Jeno and to stay ahead in the power race with its german and half german friends.

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ok ported so Porsche can make best car in every category?
just because u like them does not mean anyone doing well in something can do better in everything.
I never said that. But for most of the Porsche cars the reviews speak for themselves.

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anyways not many will buy a Porsche luxury saloon over a Mercedes luxury saloon.
I probably wouldn't either if I was out to buy one. That's what BMWs and Jags are for.

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All threads are meant for arguments, as long as they don't get out of hand. Otherwise where is the fun?
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See, nobody's against Merc making a 600+bhp roadster. Anybody would love to own something like that.

But, what is a person supposed to do with all that power if he's not allowed to control it the enthusiast's way?

Why a 5 speed A/T? Why not a 6 speed M/T? If people can handle 650bhp Enzos', 627bhp Mclaren F1s', 612bhp Carrera GTs' with M/T. What makes you think people will find it diff to handle a 612bhp roadster with M/T?

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its not the power that the gearbox cannot handle its the torque.It is the question of restricted 104kgm or 1000Nm(124kgm or 1200Nm unrestricted)of torque for SL-65 and 80kgm for SLR versus 68kgm for the Enzo and 52Kgm for the Carrera GT.that much torque will melt the manual's Clutch.

its not the power it is the twin turbos's torque....

and even if they build a carbon fibre gearbox it will not be very reliable?

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its not the power that the gearbox cannot handle its the torque.[b]it is 104kgm(1000Nm) for SL 65 and 80kgm for SLR versus 68kgm for the Enzo and 52Kgm for the Carrera GT.not the power it is the twin turbos's torque....
That's what dude. Why have something you can't handle? Isn't it evident that the figures are there just for the record? It's just an obsession Mercedes has, to make the most powerful cars, irrespective of whether the car can handle it or not.

1000nm of torque for what?? Cars can only accelerate as fast as the tyres let them.

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but someone likes to be on top of others.

and guess what they have just bumped the output of the 65 series engine to 700bhp and 1024Nm of torque on the Maybach Exelero and they are working on the 7-speed automatic(the automatic that get 's closest to the manual)to make it stronger and reliable to handle the 700+ bhp power and 1200+ Nm torque expected from the 69 series engine.

and for the tyre bit,

they are developing a tyre with Fulda which is able to run consistently at 350kmph.

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I probably wouldn't either if I was out to buy one. That's what BMWs and Jags are for.
so u are hell bent on not buying a Mercedes.and secondly the BMW 7-series does not even come close to the 7 year old s-class in Luxury car shootouts.it is not me,it is most of the automags that say this.read any 7-series roadtest,in the end they will always write something like there are better luxury cars around.and it is very well known which that luxury car is.

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and guess what they have just bumped the output of the 65 series engine to 700bhp and 1024Nm of torque on the Maybach Exelero and they are working on the 7-speed automatic(the automatic that get 's closest to the manual)to make it stronger and reliable to handle the 700+ bhp power and 1200+ Nm torque expected from the 69 series engine.
Maybach Exelero hits double-ton
13 May 2005

Is this the 690bhp two-seater Maybach coupe that buyers have been clamouring for?

No, probably not. Which is why Maybach says the fully working V12 Exelero will remain a one-off.

The enormous coupe has been built for German tyre manufacturer Fulda. It will be used as a ‘reference vehicle’ for a new generation of wide tyres that the company is developing and follows another Maybach-based coupe that Fulda used in the 1930s.

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There's a big diff between building a working prototype and a proper street legal car. VW tried the same with the Bugatti Veyron but all they did was keep postponing the launch dates.

1000bhp, 1001nm and just 252mph? Especially when a 627bhp Mclaren did 241mph, more than a decade ago.

These aren't cars. They're just egocentric experiments.

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when did i say that Exelero is production vehicle.
also the Veryon has unofficially broken the record of Mclaren F1 by doing 248mph.the main problem with veryon is it is aerodynamically very ineffecient and u do need aerodynamics to keep u on the ground above 250mph.
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they are developing a tyre with Fulda which is able to run consistently at 350kmph
That's no big deal coz we already have cars like the Koenigsegg CCR and the Mclaren F1 which can pretty much cruise at those speeds.

It's the traction while launching that i was talking about. be it launch control or traction control, they all reduce the power reaching the tyres depending on the adhesive capability of that tyre.

So, at the end of the day, the amount of torque that actually helps the SL65 reach 100 in 4.2 secs maynot be more than 600nm (maybe even less).

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0 to 100 is 4.2 secs because its an auto.and please nor the Mclaren F1 not the CCR nor the Veryon can cruise at 350 kmph.yes they may be able to reach there and go past it for a few secs or few mins but not cruise like for 30-60 mins.

by the way where has ported gone.i was really enjoying this discussion.

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0 to 100 is 4.2 secs because its an auto
That is why we need a manual!!! Even then, it won't need 1000nm to reach 100kmph. If you ever get the chance to drive one of those SL65's, switch off the traction control or what ever control it has and try doing a 0-100. You'll end up being even slower bcoz 1000nm is way too much torque, all the car'll do is spin it's wheels.

It could well have done with a little less turning force and a M/T.

That's all we are saying.

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ok i got the point man but when did i say that it wont be better off with the M/T but Merc preferably uses A/T compared to M/T and see the SL 65 is not a sports car so it need not do 0-100 in 4 secs.it is just that mercedes wants to show that it can build powerful cars than BMW,Audi,Jaguar....here bmw is the competitor and not Porsche.Even the clk dtm we have to pit it against the M5 and the M3 and not the Carrera GT.its a 2 door saloon for gods sake.Mercedes just wants to make powerful fast cars that people are proud to own and have all the luxury features while travelling at 300kmph+ speeds, thats the point of Powerful mercedes cars and not track day busting.Even the SLR is very easy to drive at 200mph compared to the Mclaren F1 or Carrera GT,this is what jenno says.why because its an auto.Carrera GT is great around N/S but it is very difficult to control for a common man and even difficult to get it of the line without stalling.u must have seen this with Stig in topgear.

The point is Mercedes wants to make very fast cars that comman man can drive at 200mph and not only the exceptionally talented drivers.that is why they are Fitted with an Automatic in the first place,Mercedes nerver really tried to make a proper sports car after the Sl of the 50's.They make sports cars for the common man.

p.s:read common man as man with average driving talents rather than reading it as a man with average income.

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