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V-16 · 21st August 2007, 19:03

ID:296- What is this Black Four Door Beauty ?

Ram · 22nd August 2007, 05:11

ID:296 Love those flowing lines. But I will hold off for now, as requested.

Meanwhile here's ID:297.
What is this sweet ride?

Ram

karlosdeville · 22nd August 2007, 09:46

ID 297 is the 1952 Borgward Hansa 2400

Ram · 22nd August 2007, 13:03

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Originally Posted by karlosdeville

ID 297 is the 1952 Borgward Hansa 2400

You're right Karl.
ID:297 is a 1953 Borgward Hansa 2400 "Sport Fließheck" fastback,
not the 1952 Borgward Hansa 2400 "Sport Stufenheck" notchback

Your namesake, Karl Borgward in 1952 wanted to move up to the luxury car segment and launched his Borgward Hansa 2400 in 1952.

This rear-wheel-drive had a 2,337 cc 6-cylinder 82 bhp @ 4500 rpm engine, and could do 150 km/h. It was made from 1952 - 1954

However the car got very bad press -- bad brakes, bad automatic transmission and poor visibility from the car. It sold badly. Only 1,032 sold between 1952 and 1955.

Ram

Ram · 22nd August 2007, 19:39

Well it's 24 hours since ID:296 was posted, so like a kid waiting for the cake, here's my answer.

ID:296 is a 1952 Hotchkiss Grégoire

This lovely aluminum car debuted at the 1947 Paris Salon.

Features

Air-cooled near-square-block engine
Light and strong one-piece cast aluminum cowl, windshield and body frame.
Front-wheel-drive.
Semaphore-style turn signals in the "C" pillars.
Suspended ball-shaped accelerator pedal.
Engine is ahead of the front wheels.
2,190 cc 70 bhp double flat-twin engine, that drove a 4-speed gearbox. This gearbox had a two gear-lever control arrangement. A black lever for 1st, 2nd and 3rd, and a separate chrome lever for 4th gear.
Bendix "Tracta" type constant velocity joints in the front-wheel-drive system
four-wheel Bendix hydraulic brakes.
Capable of 170 km/h.

This car is one of the 30 cars at the Tampa Bay Auto Museum at Pinellas Park, Florida.

The museum says that a total of 253 Hotchkiss Grégoires were produced of which only one was imported by the Mack Corp. New York. That single one is the black car in the museum.

Imagine removing a car's wheel without removing the chrome hubcap! With the Hotchkiss Grégoire, this was possible.

Like the 1953 Borgward Hansa 2400, the Hotchkiss Gregoire was a commercial failure, despite coupé and cabriolet versions. Hotchkiss shut down passenger car production after 1954.

Ram

karlosdeville · 22nd August 2007, 19:49

ID 296

Great stuff. I could identify it as a Hotchkiss, but nothing further! I remember Pranlal Bhogilal having one, but a much earlier model. Its perhaps the only survivor in the country.

If im not mistaken, Hotchkiss still manufactures ammunition and amoured vehicles. The logo has always borne 2 cannons.

speedy · 22nd August 2007, 20:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by karlosdeville

ID 296

Great stuff. I could identify it as a Hotchkiss, but nothing further! I remember Pranlal Bhogilal having one, but a much earlier model. Its perhaps the only survivor in the country.

If im not mistaken, Hotchkiss still manufactures ammunition and amoured vehicles. The logo has always borne 2 cannons.

karl mr pranlal bhogilal has three hotchkisses. sat in them in my younger days dont remember the years. i used to call them the hot kisses car

karlosdeville · 22nd August 2007, 20:02

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Originally Posted by speedy

karl mr pranlal bhogilal has three hotchkisses. sat in them in my younger days dont remember the years. i used to call them the hot kisses car

So do you have access and photography rights to the stable? Put up a thread...it could fill up an entire section on the forum!

speedy · 22nd August 2007, 20:12

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Originally Posted by karlosdeville

So do you have access and photography rights to the stable? Put up a thread...it could fill up an entire section on the forum!

i have access even where some of the people dont even know that his cars stand. my brother has the entire collection all 300 odd car bike and horse carriages pictures. bet you did not know that he had bikes and horse carriages. my brother would never post them but if you come to bom and my brother is there would show you the pictures and can even take you to his house to see the cars 30 odd standing there.

karlosdeville · 22nd August 2007, 20:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedy

i have access even where some of the people dont even know that his cars stand. my brother has the entire collection all 300 odd car bike and horse carriages pictures. bet you did not know that he had bikes and horse carriages. my brother would never post them but if you come to bom and my brother is there would show you the pictures and can even take you to his house to see the cars 30 odd standing there.

Done and done! Tell your brother Ill see him saturday morning at 9

hehe, but seriously, if something can be arranged, ill make a dedicated trip. Let me know.

Cheers

speedy · 22nd August 2007, 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by karlosdeville

Done and done! Tell your brother Ill see him saturday morning at 9

hehe, but seriously, if something can be arranged, ill make a dedicated trip. Let me know.

Cheers

200 cars in ahemdabad. 100 odd cars bikes and buggy's in bombay. there would be 50 odd bikes and 30 odd buggy's. i can take you to the house anytime dont have to organise anything. the other places in bom i have to organise.

-GS- · 22nd August 2007, 21:15

ID:298

iraghava · 22nd August 2007, 21:31

ID 298: Maserati Ghibli

-GS- · 22nd August 2007, 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by iraghava

ID 298: Maserati Ghibli

Spot on Ishan!

Its the Maserati Ghibli, produced between 1967-1973.

speedy · 22nd August 2007, 22:00

yes this is the maserati ghibli. i know this car 1968. my kind of car. there is a merak in bombay.

21st August 2007, 19:03	#1216 (permalink)
V-16 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: mumbai Posts: 2,553 View My Garage	ID:296- What is this Black Four Door Beauty ? __________________ SINGH IS KING!!!!

22nd August 2007, 05:11	#1217 (permalink)
Ram Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mumbai, Pune, München Posts: 1,552 View My Garage	Id:297 ID:296 Love those flowing lines. But I will hold off for now, as requested. Meanwhile here's ID:297. What is this sweet ride? Ram __________________ When you struggle for something and fail, that’s when you get Experience!

22nd August 2007, 09:46	#1218 (permalink)
karlosdeville Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 3,089 View My Garage	ID 297 is the 1952 Borgward Hansa 2400 __________________ ( O \ \| / O )

22nd August 2007, 19:39	#1220 (permalink)
Ram Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mumbai, Pune, München Posts: 1,552 View My Garage	Well it's 24 hours since ID:296 was posted, so like a kid waiting for the cake, here's my answer. ID:296 is a 1952 Hotchkiss Grégoire This lovely aluminum car debuted at the 1947 Paris Salon. Features Air-cooled near-square-block engine Light and strong one-piece cast aluminum cowl, windshield and body frame. Front-wheel-drive. Semaphore-style turn signals in the "C" pillars. Suspended ball-shaped accelerator pedal. Engine is ahead of the front wheels. 2,190 cc 70 bhp double flat-twin engine, that drove a 4-speed gearbox. This gearbox had a two gear-lever control arrangement. A black lever for 1st, 2nd and 3rd, and a separate chrome lever for 4th gear. Bendix "Tracta" type constant velocity joints in the front-wheel-drive system four-wheel Bendix hydraulic brakes. Capable of 170 km/h. This car is one of the 30 cars at the Tampa Bay Auto Museum at Pinellas Park, Florida. The museum says that a total of 253 Hotchkiss Grégoires were produced of which only one was imported by the Mack Corp. New York. That single one is the black car in the museum. Imagine removing a car's wheel without removing the chrome hubcap! With the Hotchkiss Grégoire, this was possible. Like the 1953 Borgward Hansa 2400, the Hotchkiss Gregoire was a commercial failure, despite coupé and cabriolet versions. Hotchkiss shut down passenger car production after 1954. Ram __________________ When you struggle for something and fail, that’s when you get Experience!

22nd August 2007, 19:49	#1221 (permalink)
karlosdeville Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 3,089 View My Garage	ID 296 Great stuff. I could identify it as a Hotchkiss, but nothing further! I remember Pranlal Bhogilal having one, but a much earlier model. Its perhaps the only survivor in the country. If im not mistaken, Hotchkiss still manufactures ammunition and amoured vehicles. The logo has always borne 2 cannons. __________________ ( O \ \| / O ) Last edited by karlosdeville : 22nd August 2007 at 19:51.

22nd August 2007, 21:15	#1227 (permalink)
-GS- BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 338	Id:298 ID:298 __________________ Ability is nothing without opportunity - Napoleon Bonaparte

22nd August 2007, 21:31	#1228 (permalink)
iraghava Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bhaiyyaland Posts: 7,334 View My Garage	ID 298: Maserati Ghibli __________________ There is a very fine line between "Hobby" and "Mental Illness".

22nd August 2007, 22:00	#1230 (permalink)
speedy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: mumbai/delhi Posts: 2,489 View My Garage	yes this is the maserati ghibli. i know this car 1968. my kind of car. there is a merak in bombay. __________________ lots to learn so little time

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