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Old 8th November 2007, 10:09   #1771
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ID 388 is a 1951 Talbot Logo T-26 Grand Sport coupe with coachwork by Saoutchik.

Spot on dude.Think it was an easy one
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ID:389

Here’s a shot from the hindi film: Hamraaz (1967).
In this scene toward the end of the movie, the villain, played by Madan Puri attempts to make his getaway in this pristine, burgundy and ivory sedan (BMH 3648).

In one hand he has revolver. In the other he’s carrying a briefcase full of cash and a grey-eyed little girl who would grow up to become Sarika -- she debuted as heroine of Geet Gaataa Chal (1975) opp. Sachin Pilgaonkar and married actor Kamal Hassan.



What’s the sedan:BMH 3648? model-year, make and model?

I'm sure many of our friends would know this right away, but hey again, Team-BHP is a forum to celebrate the cars we love. I wonder where these lovely sedans have disappeared.

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Old 8th November 2007, 23:53   #1773
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ID 389 is the super stylish Fiat 1800, launched in 59. (?)



The BMH registration, if correct, dates to 61, and the car seems to be missing a piece of side trim up front, unless this is another variant.

Lovely one Ram.

EDIT- Anybody know of surviving cars in India?

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Old 9th November 2007, 21:30   #1774
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ID 389 is the super stylish Fiat 1800, launched in 59. (?)
The BMH registration, if correct, dates to 61, and the car seems to be missing a piece of side trim up front, unless this is another variant.
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EDIT- Anybody know of surviving cars in India?
Spot on Karl.

These cars were produced between 1959 and 1968.
Besides the largish four door sedan, there was also a four door station wagon (Milleottocento Familiare).

It was powered by Fiat's 1,795 cc straight six cylinder engine.

You may remember the hexagonal aluminium air cleaner with wavy edges.



The early engines put out 75 bhp @ 5000 rpm and 142 N-m @ 3000 rpm.

The two-tone ID:389 is a 1959 Fiat Milleottocento. It's a RHD with the typical horn ring and the reflectorless tail lights like its poorer sibling, the 1959 Fiat Millecento.

Here is the actor Raaj Kumar stalking the villain.







Conveniently appointed with ashtrays and grabstraps on the front seatbacks.



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You may remember the hexagonal aluminium air cleaner with wavy edges.


Enjoyable as always Ram. But from where are we supposed to remember that air cleaner from? It was never offered in the Indian market as far as I know.
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Old 9th November 2007, 22:12   #1776
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Enjoyable as always Ram. But from where are we supposed to remember that air cleaner from? It was never offered in the Indian market as far as I know.
Sorry. Was a note to myself. Seen these big Fiats with the hood popped open, hinged forward like the 1100 Rinnovato and the 118 NE, and the blue hex aircleaner. The last one seen was a rough one at a wayside garage on the Santacruz-Chembur link road at Kalina (next to the Forensic Investigation Centre)
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In the 1961 Fiat 1800B, bhp was boosted to 86 bhp @ 5300 rpm.
The 1800B was only available in single colors. No more two-tone.

It had power steering and rear wheel drive. The B model had a fan with electromagnetic clutch which had a temperature sensitive engagement. It also had an alternator to charge the battery even in stop and go city traffic and under full load.

An interesting thing is that back in 1959-1963, competing manufacturers like BMW and Alfa-Romeo only had small economy cars or sports spiders and GTs. They did not have a single upper middle class car to give battle to the Fiat Milleottocento!

The innovative 1961 Fiat 1800B featured vacuum servo assisted four wheel disc brakes.



Other manufacturers plodded on until the mid-seventies with rear wheel drum brakes.

Here is a pic of a Fiat 1800 alongside a Fiat G-91R jet fighter.



In 1956 Fiat designed the G.91R to be a ground-attack turbojet aircraft capable of taking off from stretches of expressway.

Larry Ellison, the extravagant, larger-than-life, promoter & CEO of Oracle Corp. -- a licensed pilot, bought himself a defanged Fiat G.91 when the US authorities denied him the right to possess a ex-Soviet MiG-21.

Besides the Aeronautica Italiana (Italian Air Force), the German Luftwaffe and the Portugese Air Force operated Fiat G.91s. The Italian airforce pilots affectionately called it the "Gina".

That connects to mind Gina Lollobrigida "Buona Sera, Mrs. Campbell (1968)", but that would be drifting seriously off topic.

Italy's Frecce Tricolori (Tricolored Arrows) precision aerobatic demonstration team used a variant called the Fiat G-91 PAN. PAN stands for Pattuglia Aerobatica Nazionale. (National Aerobatic Patrol). Remember their August 1988 airshow disaster at the US Ramstein Air Base, Germany? ...
oops, There I go off topic again...

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Lets see who can guess the identity of the cute ute.

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Lets see who can guess the identity of the cute ute.
ID 390: 1941 Plymouth PT-125 (I cheated btw).

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EDIT- Anybody know of surviving cars in India?
Pranlal Bhogilal has one - it has been given to the son of one of his employees, I understand but it still sits in the Dastan collection
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ID:391. Here is an easy one.

Look at the windshield, windows and greenhouse profile of this little four-door saloon. Its wheels, hubcaps, its muted pastel color, its dimensions...



Doesn't it strike you as so HM Ambassadoresque?

Do identify the model year, make and model.

Have a great weekend, friends.

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Riley one point five?
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Riley one point five?
or a wolseley 1500

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ID:391- Its a Riley 1500. Look at the Diamler-esq cowl, grille and hub caps
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Well caught! awini.
ID:391 is indeed a 1963 Riley One-Point-Five.

The (1957-1965) Riley One-Point-Five and its corporate twin, the Wolseley 1500 that ajmat mentions, were based on the Morris Minor platform but with the larger 1489 cc B-Series (Hindustan Ambassador) engine. However the engine breathed through twin SU carburettors developing 68 bhp. The single carb Wolseley 1500 like our Amby managed a modest 49 bhp.



The Riley accelerated to 96 km/h (60 mph) in 17.5 seconds, and could manage a top speed of 134 km/h. Much better than our Ambassadors of the same vintage. Naturally it was rallied.

Like the Amby, it had longitudinal torsion bars in front and semi-elliptic leaf springs at the rear, but arm-type shocks. Steering was rack-and-pinion, and the Riley had the same 2,184 mm (86 in.) wheelbase as the Morris Minor.

Riley being a top-end brand had leather upholstery and walnut veneer on the dashboard and door caps -- the luxury of more expensive cars. Back in 1957, instrumentation included a tachometer visible through the Ambassadoresque three-spoke dished, spring-type steering wheel, but sans horn-ring.



Riley founded in 1890 at Abingdon-on-Thames, England, made bicycles, motorbikes, cars and even aero engines. They merged with British Motor Corporation (BMC). The Riley brand was positioned between MG and Wolseley.

Most post-merger Riley models like this one were actually re-badged versions of Austin and Morris designs. Thence the Ambassador-like looks.

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