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Old 25th June 2008, 15:06   #2266
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ID:486 is a 1954-55 Panhard Dyna "Z"

Was this the answer you were looking for?

Spot on Gogi sir the car is indeed a 54-55 Panhard Dyna ‘Z ‘. The Panhard Dyna is the previous gen model of the Dyna Z. And indeed this a 54 -55 model since it features the rear taillights on the trunk instead of the rear fender.

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Most people outside this forum would have never heard of Panhard but Panhard is the company that put the first automobile into production. Moreover the Panhard rod, which is commonly seen on cars with coil springs and dead rear axles like the Suzuki Zen is also a Panhard invention.

Panhard like Citroen thought of itself it as a technology leader rather than a tech follower and it was this approach that lead to it developing the Dyna Z with an all-aluminium body which weighed meant that the car weighed a mere 710 Kg despite it’s 4570 mm length. To get a better idea of what this means that’s a Mercedes C-Class sized car with a weight which is only tad less than the Maruti Zen. The fact that all this aluminium tech was used almost 45 years before Audi used it on it’s mass market car the Audi A2 only further exemplifies Panhard’s achievement.

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The car used a horizontally opposed twin Cylinder 851 cc engine which developed 42 Bhp in standard trim and 50 Bhp in the sportier Tigre trim( really sporty, no cooling shroud and a more powerful engine unlike the recently launched Fiesta S which claims to be sporty on the account that it has a heavier fancy body kit and a red S badging). Besides that the car also used torsion bars instead of springs to close the valves to reduce valve float. Not only could the car accelerate from 0-100 in 21 seconds but it could also do 14Kmpl too! It was this excellence in engineering that helped the PL 17, Dyna Z’s successor to achieve the top three places in the Monte Carlo Rally. Moreover Panhard cars also served as a basis for the famous Destuch- Bonnet line of racing cars. he PL17’s also regularly took home honors in fuel economy trials too! .

The above para clearly highlights that it is not that difficult to make a car which is economical, fuel efficient and yet has a sporty drive an idea which forms the basis for the T25 Gordon Murray’s next.

Despite its excellence in engineering Panhard could not survive beyond 1967 and the last car a blue 24BT coupe rolled of the production lines in July 1967.

However it still survives as a maker of army equipment. Also there are a number of owners who appreciate and acknowledge this brand in the form of various websites on the net to provide information about what was the first ever Automobile brand.

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Translated version of http://dynamic.club.free.fr/

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Default ID:488; 1965 Chevrolet Corvair Monza convertible

ID:488 is indeed a 1965 Chevrolet Corvair Monza convertible.



Again Prabal you got it right despite lack of the front view. The coke bottle profile and the hubcaps alone were meant to be tell-tale.

Corvairs were produced from 1960 to 1969.

Like big sister Impala, Corvairs also came as sedans and hardtops, 2- and 4-door and convertibles and wagons.

Competing with Ford’s Falcon, Plymouth Valiant and Studebaker Lark, this car defined America’s new compact class.

Unusual and innovative and somewhat avant-garde for Detroit “iron”, the Corvair had an aluminium-head, iron cylinder, aluminium block, aircooled 2.3 litre flat-six rear-engine.

The interior heater used heat off the aircooled flat-6 engine. As rubber gaskets in 1965 weren’t up to whack, the cabin always stank of petrol and oil.

Model year 1965 brought a dramatic redesign of the Corvair body and suspension and two powerful new engines.

Influenced by the Corvette Stingray and the 1963 Buick Riviera, the 1965 Corvair had coke bottle styling. The trademark swing-axle rear suspension which Ralph Nader had decried in his, “Unsafe at any Speed” was replaced by a fully independent Corvette like suspension.

The 1965 Corvair had fully integrated in-dash heater/air conditioning, the Chevelle’s larger brakes, a stronger differential crown, alternator, FM stereo, telescopic steering column.

With a heavy rear engine and light front end, Corvairs never needed power-steering.

Over its ten year span, GM made nearly 18 lakh Corvairs.

The Corvair introduced turbo-charging, true four-wheel independent suspension and monocoque construction to America. Its independent suspension survived on into newer Corvettes.

Although the Corvair was initially marketed as an economy sedan, the sporty Corvair coupe pre-dated even the Mustang in the compact segment. Its final design evoked the later Camaro. Many still consider the Corvair, contemporary looking in the 21st century.

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Old 25th June 2008, 15:26   #2268
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The car used a horizontally opposed twin Cylinder 851 cc engine which developed 42 Bhp in standard trim and 50 Bhp in the sportier Tigre trim( really sporty, no cooling shroud and a more powerful engine unlike the recently launched Fiesta S which claims to be sporty on the account that it has a heavier fancy body kit and a red S badging). Besides that the car also used torsion bars instead of springs to close the valves to reduce valve float. Not only could the car accelerate from 0-100 in 21 seconds but it could also do 14Kmpl too! It was this excellence in engineering that helped the PL 17, Dyna Z’s successor to achieve the top three places in the Monte Carlo Rally. Moreover Panhard cars also served as a basis for the famous Destuch- Bonnet line of racing cars. he PL17’s also regularly took home honors in fuel economy trials too! .
revvedup, Do check out http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/intern...tml#post572920
This engine was discussed in detail.

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About the unusual engine
It had a Panhard, all-aluminium "Dual Super" horizontally opposed, air cooled 851 cc flat-twin engine.
The engine had hydraulic tappets for silent operation and special dual ignition system (4 spark-plugs)
The engine breathed through a Zenith 38 NDIX carburettor and put out 56 bhp @ 5700 rpm.

An optional LeMans cylinders kit (class H modified), enhanced the displacement to 750 cc.
The 750 cc combo had two Zenith 38 NDIX carburettors, one per cylinder !

Here's a pic of the twin carb 750 cc Le Mans engine.



The engine was mounted longitudinally in front and drove the front wheels via Deutsch et Bonnet special U-joints.



The unusual engine had an unusual sound that led some people to think it was a two stroke.
Vibrations were smoothed by soft engine mounts, although this made the clutch difficult for an inexperienced driver to operate smoothly.
The engine normally operated at high rpm so all four gears were tall.

The engine's unusual dual purpose aircooling system
Air cooling was by a dual-purpose radial-flow turbine fan bolted to the crankshaft. A fully enveloping aluminium cooling shroud fed off this radial flow fan. Warm air exiting the cooling shroud could be directed, by cable-operated vanes, over the exhaust manifold to the car's cabin for heating and defrosting the windshield and cabin!



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Thank you Ram sir that's some enlightening info, two carbs and two spark plugs per cylinder Wow! . I don't know how I missed reading this earlier. Again thank you, very nicely illustrated and explained.
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Prabal, was it you who once told me Zeenat Aman owned/drove a Monza back in the day?
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Yes Karl, I remember that conversation we had. I don't know if she owned it too (quite likely for a stylish lady like her, although even the last Corvair in 1969 was a little old by the time she was a star in the mid-70s to buy one I'd reckon. But you also never know, imported automobiles didn't age so rapidly in the 'closed' Indian market those days), but was definitely driving it in the film, whose name I don't remember now. I do remember however, that the Monza was a golden-coloured coupe. Lovely scenes, in all respects.

I really wish to have a library of all the old 'motor' films, someday . . .
Wasn't it a mint green Chevrolet Corvair that Mumtaz drove in the movie "Aap ki Kasam (1974)" starring Rajesh Khanna and Mumtaz?

Can anybody upload a pic?
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Try guess this car now.
Definately Asian from the looks :P
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hello all after a long time.

which car is this ? id 489.

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which car is this ? id 489.
ID 489 is a 1938 Adler 2.5 by Karmann. More here

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Definately Asian from the looks :P
No actually it is French. is a 1995 Mega Track, a French supercar with a Mercedes V12 engine delivering 394 horsepower to the all-wheel-drive transmission. With adjustable ride height, it could increase its ground clearance from eight to thirteen inches! Only five examples of the Track were ever made.
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ID 489 is a 1938 Adler 2.5 by Karmann. More here

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Spot on, also known as the Adler Typ 10 “Stromform” cabriolet, produced between 1937 and 1940.

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What's this peacock-blue hardtop?

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What's this peacock-blue hardtop?

ID 490 is an AMC Rambler Marlin, 1965/66 Model, I hazard, Ram?

Mods: Sorry, about the typos in my previous post. Was working on multiple-apps MS Word alongside (my "official" email server doesn't allow keeping it open for long), must have happened due to a copy-n-paste from there. Apologies again.

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ID 490 is an AMC Rambler Marlin, 1965/66 Model, I hazard, Ram?
You're right again Prabal.

ID:490 is a 1965 Rambler Marlin.

The 1965 Rambler Marlin holds a special position of interest in the history of US cars.
Made from 1965 to 1967, it was USA's first mid-sized fastback.

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AMC's closest competitor was Chrysler. Compare the 1956 Chrysler Norseman turbine car with the 1965 Marlin.
[BTW: Chrysler eventually bought AMC in 1987 making their prized AMC Jeep, a Chrysler Jeep]

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The most popular engine was AMC’s 5.3 litre 327 cid V8 that breathed through a 4-bbl carburettor and developed 270 bhp.

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It was most often paired to a floor console mounted automatic.
There was also the innovative “Twin-Stick” manual transmission (with overdrive). More about this later.

The 1965 Rambler Marlin featured an exceptional array of equipment (fancy for 1965) that were available as standard equipment. AMC marketed it as a personal luxury car.

It had
power front disc brakes (four-piston)
non-servo type rear drums,
individual reclining seats,
deluxe exterior trim,
"Solex" tinted glass,
power steering,
heavy-duty suspension, and
"Twin-Grip" limited slip differential.

Optional "luxury" features were air conditioning, an adjustable steering wheel, and power windows.

The interior had individual reclining seats that could fold all the way down to meet the rear seat and make two beds. The car also came with inflatable wedges to fill the valleys in the front-seat to ensure the beds were flat. These inflatable wedges would stow away deflated in the glove compartment.

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AM/FM radio, a "Duo Costic" rear speaker, and a "Vibra Tone" system for simulating stereophonic sound (stereo broadcasting was not yet widely available in the U.S.).
Vibra Tone contained a rotating drum (rotor) made of moulded thermocole inside the loudspeaker, mounted in front of the paper cone. The drum was hollow, with a curved chute acting as a deflector for the sound, directing the sound around the cabin and causing interesting and uniquely characteristic phasing effects.

The Marlin was a booming success for AMC Rambler. It created a profit of over 5 million 1965 dollars. In its first year, 10,327 Marlins were sold.

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Default 1965 Rambler Marlin Twin-Stick manual transmission

The 1965 Rambler Marlin Twin-Stick manual transmission was a three speed manual transmission shifter. On the right of the standard shifter, was an additional short stick to engage overdrive.

The Twin-Stick gearbox always came with a Torque-Tube driveshaft.

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All Twin-Stick cars had a console mounted shifter. The gearbox had a bigger gap between 2nd and 3rd than a normal three speed with overdrive.
This was so the gears could be shifted as a five speed -- first, second, second+OD, third, third+OD.

The Twin-Stick shifter had a push button on the three speed lever to facilitate shifting five speeds as well. The Twin-Stick system also had more controls.

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What AMC essentially did was to put in a much deeper 2nd gear in the gearbox, so that when shifted correctly (going in & out of overdrive) you had the effect of a 5-speed gearbox. Here is how it worked:

Gears:
  1. First stick in 1st gear position. Second stick locked in OFF position.
  2. First stick in 2nd gear position. Second stick in OFF position.
  3. First stick in 2nd gear position, Second stick in ON position
  4. Push down First stick. This pops second stick to OFF, then move First stick to 3rd gear position.
  5. First stick in 3rd gear position, Second stick in ON position
There must of course, have been a lot of shifting in & out of overdrive to
accomplish all this, but apparently it worked pretty well.

For restoration today, it is supposedly almost impossible to find a replacement for the special shift linkage and the kick down buttons and relays necessary to make the system work properly.
It is also supposedly, almost impossible to find an actual Twin-Stick setup to cannibalize.
Everything must be custom fabricated.

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Default I know I'm questioning God ... but someone's gotta do it !

@Ram : No actually it is French. is a 1995 Mega Track, a French supercar ... "Only five examples of the Track were ever made."

Hmmm ... 5 cars is a production run, and so ok to appear on this thread ... but when it's 2 it's not.

I see.

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