Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP Worldwide > The International Automotive Scene


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 14th May 2009, 09:41   #2806
Ram
Senior - BHPian
 
Ram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Nagpur
Posts: 2,164
Thanked: 131 Times
Default ID:610; 1955 IFA F9 Typ 309/1

Yes indeed -GS-.
ID:610 is a 1955 IFA F9 Typ 309/1.

Built in Communist Russia and East Germany in the first half of the fifties. It had a coefficient of drag of 0.42 and could reach 110 km/h.
A 3-cylinder 2-stroke engine drove the front wheels.

And FourWheelDrift you were close!
The body was similar in shape to the DKW F9, which due to World War Two, was never built.

You can see this 1955 IFA F9 Typ 309/1 at the Verkehrsmuseum Dresden (Dresden Transport Museum)
Augustusstraße 1, 01067 Dresden, Germany.

Name:  1955 IFA F9 Typ 309slash1.jpg
Views: 1641
Size:  111.5 KB

The museum is housed in The Johanneum -- originally built to house the electoral horse stables and the carriage depot of the Royal House of Saxony.
Ram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14th May 2009, 20:46   #2807
Ram
Senior - BHPian
 
Ram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Nagpur
Posts: 2,164
Thanked: 131 Times
Default Id:611

ID:611

Guess this red roadster with wirewheels and atypically excess of front overhang.

Name:  WhatsMyNameER1.jpg
Views: 1002
Size:  43.1 KB

Name:  WhatsMyNameER2.jpg
Views: 1055
Size:  36.0 KB

Name:  WhatsMyNameER3.jpg
Views: 993
Size:  38.7 KB

Sorry about the slightly fuzzy images.

Name:  comparewithlessfrontoverhang.jpg
Views: 1006
Size:  71.0 KB
Ram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th May 2009, 13:45   #2808
Ram
Senior - BHPian
 
Ram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Nagpur
Posts: 2,164
Thanked: 131 Times
Default ID:611; 1958 Grégoire Sport Cabriolet

ID:611 is a 1958 Grégoire Sport Cabriolet.

Technologically sophisticated, the Grégoire Sport 1958 convertible from France is also quite rare.

Jean-Albert Grégoire, celebrated engineer and pioneer in front-wheel drive, created the Grégoire Sport. He developed CV joints and founded the brand Tracta. The sports car was designed and manufactured in the Tracta workshops.

The Grégoire Sport incorporated avant-garde technology from the old Hotchkiss Grégoire.
Mechanically remarkable, it was a front-wheel with Tracta CV joints. It had the flat four-cylinder OHV 2.2-liter engine of the Hotchkiss Grégoire. Breathing through a double body Solex carburetor and supercharged by a Constantine blower, it developed 125 bhp at 4500 rpm. With a 4-speed gearbox the Grégoire Sport could reach 175 km/h.

Very high tech, the chassis was bolted together with cast light alloy elements. Its four-wheel independent suspension had variable-rate coil springs.

However, high design and manufacturing costs gave it an exorbitant price. It was no Mercedes 300SL.

Monsieur Grégoire intended to exhibit his car at the 1956 International Sports Car Show at the Ford Museum in Dearborn, Michigan. Unfortunately for him, just before shipment to the USA, the prototype was damaged in a crash in France. The coachbuilder Chapron repaired that demo car with great difficulty.
Ram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th May 2009, 20:45   #2809
Senior - BHPian
 
V-16's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: mumbai
Posts: 4,567
Thanked: 820 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ram View Post
ID:610 is a 1955 IFA F9 Typ 309/1.

And FourWheelDrift you were close!
The body was similar in shape to the DKW F9, which due to World War Two, was never built.
Also because the East Germans had both, the drawings as well as several prototypes of the then new 3 cyl engine, they were able to produce it earlier than the DKW.



Regarding the 1958 Grégoire Sport Cabriolet. One can hardly call it a production car, though technically they were. There were only four examples which were ever built (the crashed one was also restored and survives today) so can we actually include it in this thread? It was, after all, not a car in production so to say.

- but interesting:- Would like to add one little detail i remembered (you never know when, something you read somewhere, might actually come in handy) about the Hotchkiss (whom J.A. Gregroire convinced to build a car he had designed which was the Hotchkiss Gregroire). These cars never sold well although they were fine cars, just like Delahaye and Delage, also makers of prestige cars who were meeting with same problem.

The three companies, for better prospects, decided to work together, to make trucks and military vehicles.
V-16 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th May 2009, 18:06   #2810
Senior - BHPian
 
wasif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Abu Dhabi (for now)
Posts: 2,929
Thanked: 333 Times
Default

As per the technicalities on posting here this car just makes it.

Here goes. What car do you think this, I.D: 612 is ??????
Attached Thumbnails
Official Guess the car Thread (Please see rules on first page!)-mystery-car.jpg  

Official Guess the car Thread (Please see rules on first page!)-mystery-car-side-view.jpg  

wasif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th May 2009, 21:54   #2811
Ram
Senior - BHPian
 
Ram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Nagpur
Posts: 2,164
Thanked: 131 Times
Default ID:612; 1972 Momo Mirage 2+2 coupé

Hi wasif:
Good tough question. Enjoyed it.
ID:612 is a 1972 Momo Mirage 2+2 coupé.

Name:  logoMomoMirage.jpg
Views: 1046
Size:  43.4 KB

This is a very very rare car.

When I saw your pictures, the wheels shouted out, that I had seen that Italian design somewhere. Still trying to place it.

Name:  Fruawheel.jpg
Views: 1098
Size:  32.6 KB

The name Pietro Frua popped into mind. Am unable to explain why.

The Momo Mirage story revolves around a New York-based real estate magnate and car connoisseur, Mr. Peter S. Kalikow.
Like many an American car designer before him (ref: Chevy Corvette, Ford Thunderbird, ...), Kalikow also fell in love with the idea of a European type car for the USA market.

While discussing various European cars with his friend, Alfred Momo of the New York Jaguar Garage, Kalikow bought into the idea of designing a new sports car.

The concept was slotted between a Ferrari and a Rolls-Royce -- a combination of performance and luxury.

They got a big 4-seat GT prototype designed and coachbuilt by the Turinese design house of Pietro Frua.

But like the Grégoire Sport Cabriolet, the project suffered due to high costs of quality. Additionally there came the oil crisis of the 1970s. Just four and a half cars were built. Four coupés and one spider (which wasn't completed) were built.

Three of these remain today in Kalikow’s ownership.

The Momo Mirage has a 5,733 cc Chevrolet V8, breathing through 4 carburettors and driving the rear wheels through a 3-speed transmission and limited-slip differential.

The car ID:612 in your picture, wasif bears the number plate: New York 1-PSK. That stands for the initials of its conceptualizer and owner: Peter S Kalikow.

Ram
Ram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th May 2009, 22:02   #2812
Senior - BHPian
 
AyAn!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Durgapur/Calcutta/Pune
Posts: 2,166
Thanked: 846 Times
Default

ID:612 : 1971-72 Momo Mirage!!
1971 - 1972 Momo Mirage - Images, Specifications and Information

Last edited by AyAn! : 19th May 2009 at 22:04.
AyAn! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th May 2009, 22:10   #2813
Senior - BHPian
 
AyAn!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Durgapur/Calcutta/Pune
Posts: 2,166
Thanked: 846 Times
Default

ID:613 Guess the car
Name:  mystery car.JPG
Views: 1280
Size:  51.3 KB
AyAn! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th May 2009, 10:24   #2814
Senior - BHPian
 
wasif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Abu Dhabi (for now)
Posts: 2,929
Thanked: 333 Times
Default Id 612

Hats off to Ram and AyAn, both have it spot on.

I actually saw one of these cars in the flesh two years ago at Pebble Beach and when I got the mail from ultimate car page with a bunch of pictures and info on the car I just couldn't resist posting it.

Great job guys am very impressed with your knowledge of autos.

They claim that 6 cars were actually built.
wasif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th May 2009, 23:46   #2815
BHPian
 
FourWheelDrift's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 469
Thanked: 178 Times
Default

ID:613 De Tomaso Longchamp GTS with aftermarket chromed alloy wheels.

Last edited by FourWheelDrift : 20th May 2009 at 23:49.
FourWheelDrift is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th May 2009, 23:48   #2816
Senior - BHPian
 
AyAn!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Durgapur/Calcutta/Pune
Posts: 2,166
Thanked: 846 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FourWheelDrift View Post
ID:613 De Tomaso Longchamp with aftermarket chromed alloy wheels.
Thats right!! Spot on!!
AyAn! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st May 2009, 00:27   #2817
Senior - BHPian
 
avishar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: kolkata/bangalore,india
Posts: 2,406
Thanked: 676 Times
Default

ID:614

Which car( its not obvious).
Attached Images
 
avishar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st May 2009, 00:41   #2818
Senior - BHPian
 
AyAn!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Durgapur/Calcutta/Pune
Posts: 2,166
Thanked: 846 Times
Default

are you suggesting it isn't a Porsche??
AyAn! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st May 2009, 01:06   #2819
Senior - BHPian
 
avishar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: kolkata/bangalore,india
Posts: 2,406
Thanked: 676 Times
Default

It is a porsche, no doubts about that just the model is not obvious.
avishar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st May 2009, 01:47   #2820
Senior - BHPian
 
Nitin's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 3,301
Thanked: 9 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by avishar View Post
ID:614

Which car( its not obvious).
Looks like a Porsche 911T, circa 1973.
Nitin is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The official alloy wheel show-off thread. Lets see your rims! Rtech Tyre & Alloy wheel Section 5352 16th January 2017 18:23
2014 Octavia VRS - First Official Pics! EDIT: More pics on Page 4 prithwi-81 The International Automotive Scene 58 30th May 2015 14:27
Official Guess the Place Thread deky Shifting gears 264 23rd September 2011 19:35


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 17:35.

Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks