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Old 27th November 2009, 15:37   #3511
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It's 'Daina', AyAn! I hope that was an innocent typo although it's such an easy mistake to make. The reason I decided it was a 1951 was because a 1950 ad on this page depicts that particular model with a single side vent. Your picture showed two. On the other hand, most 1952 Dainas I encountered during my search featured a noticeably restyled grille.

In any case, that was an interesting choice. Thanks for enlightening me.
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Old 27th November 2009, 16:00   #3512
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I have to thank you though, because - while searching for your car - I found something that had been killing me for days on end!
Your most welcome!
BTW how about revealing your precious findings here?
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Old 27th November 2009, 16:00   #3513
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Default ID:731; 1959 Lancia Flaminia Berlina

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My guess is that ID:731 is a late 1950's / early 1960's Lancia Flaminia - most probably a 1958-59 Flaminia Berlina.

I've read somewhere that rear windshield wipers were a requirement in Europe in the mid-to-late 1950's but I trust that Ram will clarify that potentially controversial point.
Double Mac, you are right about ID:731 being a 1959 Lancia Flaminia Berlina.

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The Flaminia Berlina was designed by Pininfarina.

Of all the Flaminias the Berlina was the only carrosserie to be built by Lancia themselves. These sedans were hand-assembled at Lancia's plant in the Borgo San Paolo district of Turin, Italy. Lancia shut that plant after the last Flaminia Berlina!

The standard engine was a 110 bhp 2,458 cc V6 and 3,344 examples of the Berlina with the 2.5 litre engine were built.
There was also an optional 128 bhp 2,775 cc V6 and less than 600 examples of the 2,775 cc Lancia Flaminia Berlina 2800 were built.


Unusual wipers
Today when a cold exterior and a humid interior causes condensation on our rear-window, we have electric heating elements to clear it.
The peculiar thing about the Lancia Flaminia Berlina was that it had
two rear window wipers on the outside of the window and
two more on the inside of the window to wipe the condensation.

VIP usage
This car was used by celebrities, politicians (as official State staff cars) and film stars, even on occasion, the Pope.
The Argentinian Formula One driver, Juan Manuel Fangio had one too, as did Ferrari F1 driver Peter Collins and movie stars Sophia Loren and Audrey Hepburn.

Here is moviestar Brigitte Bardot with a Flaminia Berlina.

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State Landaulette Limousines
Here is a Midnight blue stretched Lancia Flaminia 335 Quirinale limousine.

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Only four of these cars were built specially ordered by President Giovanni Gronchi. A fifth was gifted to the British monarch.

Each car was over 16 feet long and weighed over 20 quintals.
The cars were modified to have column-shift levers.

Named after the horses ridden by the Italian president's Corrazieri bodyguards, each landaulette-limousine had a unique name -- Belsito, Belfiore, Belmonte and Belvedere.

Belfiore and Belsito are still property of the Italian government and stabled in the Quirinale.
Belmonte bearing license plate: Roma 454306 carried the British sovereigns during their 1961 visit to Rome.

Pininfarina's specialists completely restored the car named Belmonte and in 2001, President Ciampi donated it to the Museo dell'Automobili in Turin.

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In 1982, President Pertini switched to a Maserati Quattroporte Royale. But in 1985 on the day Francesco Cossiga was elected, the Maserati refused to start. Since then the Italian President reverted back to these Flaminia-335s, escorted by his mounted Corrazieri.

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Old 27th November 2009, 16:05   #3514
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Default A somewhat obscure ID:733

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(...) Please reveal your precious findings then...
You mean the car I found by accident while searching for the Siata? It was a 1965 Lamborghini 3500 GTZ already posted in this thread a long time ago. The answer must have been deleted though and, I'm ashamed to admit, I wasn't familiar with the model so - being too proud to ask - I decided to find it by myself.

Here's another long-awaited entry from Mac then. ID:733 was definitely a standard production model and that's the best quality picture I've managed to find:

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EDIT: I knew Ram would grace us with some extensive info on the Berlina! That picture with Brigitte Bardot is most welcome. Personally, I'd take them both - the car and the girl (not necessarily in that order).

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Old 27th November 2009, 16:36   #3515
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Is it some rare Studebaker?Though I doubt it!
Quite looks like a '51 Studebaker Commando/Land Cruiser though!

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At first glance, many styling cues -- the gas-turbine air-intake like protruding nose, flanking pontoon fenders, appear copied from Raymond Loewy's 1950 bullet-nose Studebaker four-door sedan.

But then again execution is impoverished. See the parking lights and lack of chrome. Then again intuitively, its designe looks a year or two older than 1950.

And the Studebaker bullet nose had four spokes and the steering wheel had three spokes. ID:733 seems to have a 3-spoke bullet nose and a 4-spoke steering wheel.

The next thought is:
What if Raymond Loewy had copied it from some obscure earlier design.

After all the turbine spinner nose was also on the 1948 Tucker Torpedo
the 1949 Ford Tudor, 1952 Ford Taunus 12M, ...

Is this a real car or a scale model?
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Old 27th November 2009, 17:06   #3517
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Given that the info is surprisingly scarce, I may have introduced a rare version (possibly a prototype) of an actual production model. I realize that the fact that the picture pops up as literally the first result of the Google image search is hardly an excuse for my ignorance but let me apologize by presenting a decidedly 'legit' version of the same car:

ID:733A

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Of course, I was expecting Studebaker-related comments but I'm not aware of there being any relation whatsoever to the famous bullet-nosed series. On top of that, it's not an American product at all. (Aniket is going to hate me for that hint but it's my call after all.)

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Default Hint time!

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(...) Then again execution is impoverished.
It's quite an insightful remark. Indeed, the model was conceived in a European country which isn't readily associated with wealth.

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(...) Its design looks a year or two older than 1950.
Actually, both presented variants were introduced in 1950 and discontinued soon after. (Again, I only know that the Studebaker-lookalike was 'introduced' in this particular year.) The yellow & black model was obviously used as a taxicab.

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Is this a real car or a scale model?
Tough question, although the reflections look quite convincingly vivid to me.
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Old 29th November 2009, 18:39   #3519
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Default 1950 Eucort Victoria

I'm afraid I have to identify this entry myself. Both cars represent the 1950 Eucort Victoria model range with ID:733 being a possible prototype called Victoria Avión and ID:733A a standard offering. The Eucort (short for 'Eusebio Cortes SA') company was based in Barcelona (its former headquarters building is apparently located at 124 Naples Street) and is believed to have manufactured over 1500 units (including trucks) between 1945 and 1953. Eucort's final model, the Victoria, featured a 1034 cc 3-cylinder, 2-stroke engine. Here's another example of that forgotten classic:

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Thank you Double Mac.
It was a really obscure car to identify.
For all the collective knowledge we have here, none of us knew about Eucort of Spain.
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Thanks a lot Doublemac for that one.Never really heard of Eucort.
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ID:734 Make and model, please.
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hey guys!! are we allowed to post videos here?? i have a video of a car i have no clue of and could use some help!!

cheers!!!
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hey guys!! are we allowed to post videos here?? i have a video of a car i have no clue of and could use some help!!
cheers!!!
Our Official Guess The Car thread, is not a thread to post a car, which one is oneself clueless about. In fact, the member putting up the post, should reveal the identity of the car within 48 hours of posting it, if nobody else is able to identify that car.
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This is should be breakfast for doublemac.
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