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Old 20th August 2007, 16:55   #1201
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ID 292
NSU Prinz

design rights were taken to Russia and produced as the Zaphorozet..or something like that.
aircooled , rear engine, well made.
Company went under when they came out with the brilliant but flawed Ro80 and were taken over by audi and later dissolved
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Correction - the Russians copied the car, never bought the rights to it
ID:292 Zaporozhets ZAZ-968M



Roughly styled similar to the NSU Prinz, ID: is a Zaporozhets (Запорожец) ZAZ-968M. It was made from 1967 to 1974.

It had an air-cooled rear mounted V4 boxer engine made by Мелітопольський моторний завод (MMз) in the Ukraine.
People have also compared them to two other rear-engined cars, the Hillman Imp and Chevrolet Corvair.

The Blue-grey car in the picture is a 1979 ZAZ-968M with a 1.2L OHV boxer that put out 42 bhp.

It was extremely popular in the Soviet Union amongst the intellectuals and the retired.

For comparison:

The left orange car is a Zaporozhets, the right red car is an NSU Prinz

The Zaporozhetz had headlamps inset w.r.t the front valance.

The NSU Prinz had bulging prominent headlamps.



Another instance...

The Zaporozhetz front door had rounded edges and an additional molding line below the trim belt-line. The door handle was mounted above the trim belt-line. Also the wheel arch was round.

The NSU Prinz had rectangular edges that went down to the rocker panel. Also the door handle was stylishly integrated into the trim belt-line. The wheel arch was angular.



It would perhaps be apt to compare this difference with that of the difference between a Mahindra MM-540 and a Willys CJ-5.

The hood and fenders of the Mahindra MM-540 were roughly stylistically similar to (as in modeled after) the Willys CJ-5.

But of course, the shape, moldings and dimensions would not coincide.

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ID:293 is a Duesenberg.

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Old 20th August 2007, 17:29   #1204
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Spot on Ram! ID:293 is a Duesenberg Model J. The asking price was US $5800 in 1929.

Engine: Inline 8
Capacity: 6882 cc
Power: 265 bhp @ 4200 rpm
Transmission: 3 speed manual
Top Speed: 180 km/h
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ID 293 is a Duesenberg SJ, supercharged. See the exhaust pipes.
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ID 293 is a Duesenberg SJ, supercharged. See the exhaust pipes.
Thanks for correcting Karl, its SJ - a supercharged version of the Model J. The SJ model produced 320 hp.The supercharger was located beside the engine with the exhaust pipes beneath through the side panel of the hood through creased tubes.

The last Model SJ's produced had ram-horn intakes and installed on two short-wheelbase chassis. Horsepower was reported to be as high as 400. These examples are commonly known as 'SSJ' in modern times.
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Karl, I beg to differ!

Presence of external flexible exhaust pipes does not imply presence of a supercharger.

My hunch is, this is a 1929 Duesenberg J.
IMHO there was no SJ in 1929. A handful were made from 1930 onwards.

The model J's 8-cylinder 6.9 litre Lycoming engine had 32 valves, DOHC and a detachable head.It supposedly produced 265 bhp, beyond any contemporary dynometer.
481 model Js were constructed.

theUltimateCarPage.com says, and I quote...

Throughout the production run, the engine dimensions stayed the same. An increase of 55 bhp was achieved by adding a supercharger. Only a handful of supercharged Model Js were constructed and they are today commonly known as the Model SJ, a name never used by Duesenberg themselves.

A final evolution was the addition of ram-horn intakes on the last supercharged models. Fitted in two short wheelbase chassis, this engine reportedly produced up to 400 bhp, a stunning figure even today.

Two of these 'super-Duesenbergs' were constructed and are reffered to as SSJs, again a designation never used by the factory.

...endquote

The factory closed in 1937.

quote...
Today the Model J is considered to be one of the most legendary cars ever constructed. The combination of state-of-the-art racing inspired engineering, the era's finest coach-building and the cars' many famous owners have all contributed to that legend. One of the most told stories about the Model J underlined the engine's incredible power; the Model J could smoothly accelerate from 10 mph to 89 mph in second gear. The SSJ's top-speed is estimated to be close to 160 mph, faster than any other pre-War road car.
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Of course, there could be something else you see here that I miss.

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ID:294 is a 1930 Cadillac V-16
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ID:294 is a 1930 Cadillac V-16
Now, where is our V-16?

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Now, where is our V-16?
Not fair Not fair, I log off for a few hours and all you guys go beserk posting pics?!! Love the V-16 (ahem!!-ahem!!...the car too!) for its style, looks and it being ahead of its times.
Good to see older cars being put up for recognition. Some pics I will post later and add below that Ram is not allowed to guess those pics Too easy for him.
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Looks like a Stanley Steamer?
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Looks like a Stanley Steamer?
Yes it is a 1912 Stanley Steamer. I remember having a chapter in English in school on the Stanley brothers and their racing steamer. Learnt it so well that I could answer anything on that chapter during exams
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Yes it is a 1912 Stanley Steamer. I remember having a chapter in English in school on the Stanley brothers and their racing steamer. Learnt it so well that I could answer anything on that chapter during exams
Yeah, I vivdly remember that chapter on Stanley in school founded by Francis E and Freelan O Stanley, brothers with identical appearences, and long white beards. They would drive in identical cars, dressed identically as a publicity gimmick.
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