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Old 14th November 2013, 08:11   #3421
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One of my colleague is planning to buy a SUV, his budget is around $45k-$50k. He is looking for only new vehicles. Currently the choices are
1) BMW X3
2) Audi Q5
3) Lexus RX350
4) Evoque

From talking to him he prefers German(not a fan of Merc), but not a must(i guess) since I convinced him to add RX350 and Evoque to his options

Any other choices in this range he must include? I suggested Cayenne, but he somehow feels its not his preference now.
The evoque is a fair bit smaller than the rest of the options, right? The RX is a larger car, a perennial favorite amongst Indians. The Q5 is a fairly old model now (5+ years), right?

I think if size is important, the Evoque is out. For me the choice is between the RX and the X3. You could also look at the Jeep Grand Cherokee?
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The evoque is a fair bit smaller than the rest of the options, right? The RX is a larger car, a perennial favorite amongst Indians. The Q5 is a fairly old model now (5+ years), right?

I think if size is important, the Evoque is out. For me the choice is between the RX and the X3. You could also look at the Jeep Grand Cherokee?
Yea I suggest the GC too but he didn't seem interested.

He liked the X3 for its handling and the gear shift(look and feel included) and felt its not very spacious and quality of plastics were not at par(is this true?)!
Kinda ridiculous, but he felt the gear shift in RX to be very primitive

Not sure of the Evoque space, he is out to TD it today. And now I'm sure from what you say he is going to complain of the space.
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So yea like VV mentioned, my colleague had a very sad face today after Evoque TD. Very tight space, poor boot space, no free maintenance offers, hardly $1000 rebate etc. so all put together he dropped this out.

He went to Audi after RR, and he liked the Q5, for better interiors and spacious compared to X3. When is the new Q5 expected?

Looks like he may settle between the X3 or Q5.
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A friend in looking for a new car to replace his aging car. I was happy to accompany him for TDs.

Y'day we went to Stevens Creek, Bay Area and drove Mazda3, Corolla, Accord & Altima all 2014 models.

Here is my feedback -

1. 2014 Mazda3 -

Dealer - Oak Tree Mazda
Price for i Touring model ~ $23,500.

Being a current owner of 2006 Mazda3 MT, the new Mazda3 is terribly disappointing. The qualities which makes Mazda stand out among its competitors such as steering response, handling and nimbleness are lacking in the new model. However it's loaded with all the infotainment features. The rear leg room is also a letdown.

I'm a big time Mazda fan, but the new Mazda3 has made me angry & sad. The older one is so much fun to drive.

And the sales person was very rude to us.

2. 2014 Toyota Corolla
Dealer - Stevens Creek Toyota
Out of the door price - $21,500

This car really surprised me. It's quick and engine is quite responsive. However the steering is very light. The interiors are really good but the dash is very plain and reminds me Tata trucks. It's kind of a flat panel. The rear leg room is also far better than Mazda3.

In the dealership we were helped by 2 young sales people who were casual and not serious about the business.

3. 2014 Honda Accord EX
Dealer - Stevens Creek Honda
Price ~ $25,500

We drove the 4-cylinder. Super silent, powerful and very refined. Liked the car very much. This car is also loaded with a bunch of features like camera on right ORVM for lane change assist, heated seats, etc. BT & rear-camera is standard accessory across all the trims.

Our sales person was a very nice aged man who explained all the features of the car and patiently answered all our questions.

4. 2014 Nissan Altima SV
Dealer - Stevens Creek Nissan
Out of the door price ~ $23,500 and some discounts around $500 for Thanksgiving.

A very nice car with good handling and pickup. However the engine is very noisy and doesn't sound refined. It also comes with reverse camera and BT as standard. Rear leg room is large and boot space is massive. However there is no rear AC vents as compared to Accord. I liked this car the most among the 4 but the engine noise is a deal breaker.

The sales person was courteous and allowed us for a long drive. He also informed us about the incentives and discounts currently offered by Nissan.

My friend will most likely go for the Accord as he liked it the most for its space and refinedness.
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A friend in looking for a new car to replace his aging car. I was happy to accompany him for TDs.

Y'day we went to Stevens Creek, Bay Area and drove Mazda3, Corolla, Accord & Altima all 2014 models.

1. 2014 Mazda3 -

Dealer - Oak Tree Mazda
Price for i Touring model ~ $23,500.

Being a current owner of 2006 Mazda3 MT, the new Mazda3 is terribly disappointing. The qualities which makes Mazda stand out among its competitors such as steering response, handling and nimbleness are lacking in the new model. However it's loaded with all the infotainment features. The rear leg room is also a letdown.

I'm a big time Mazda fan, but the new Mazda3 has made me angry & sad. The older one is so much fun to drive.

And the sales person was very rude to us.
Yes typical attitude of the sales guys in Jap dealerships.

I'm surprised you didn't like this new Mazda3. I drove my brothers car a few weeks ago, and was impressed by its skyactiv engine. But isn't the steering response same like your model, has it changed?
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I'm surprised you didn't like this new Mazda3. I drove my brothers car a few weeks ago, and was impressed by its skyactiv engine. But isn't the steering response same like your model, has it changed?
The new Mazda3 comes with EPS where as older ones have hydraulic pump driven by an electric motor.
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Yes typical attitude of the sales guys in Jap dealerships.
Errrr.... Not sure how you came up with that statement considering ALL FOUR test drives were of Japanese cars...
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A friend in looking for a new car to replace his aging car. I was happy to accompany him for TDs.


1. 2014 Mazda3 -

Dealer - Oak Tree Mazda
Price for i Touring model ~ $23,500.

2. 2014 Toyota Corolla
Dealer - Stevens Creek Toyota
Out of the door price - $21,500

3. 2014 Honda Accord EX
Dealer - Stevens Creek Honda
Price ~ $25,500

4. 2014 Nissan Altima SV
Dealer - Stevens Creek Nissan
Out of the door price ~ $23,500 and some discounts around $500 for Thanksgiving.

My friend will most likely go for the Accord as he liked it the most for its space and refinedness.
He should probably TD Ford Focus unless, he's only considering Japs. Don't know if it's in the price range, though. I also will definitely not discount KIA Optima. And I don't think there are really any valid concerns about build quality or reliability of these cars now. Spending $25 large, he should absolutely cover all bases and make the most informed decision and not make the mistake of dissmissing off hand based on prior prejudice or popular consent. Often the car you like the best, is just that, 'you like it'.

Where does the Mazda 6 price start from? I think it's the best looking midsize Jap out there and the reviews have been pretty favourable.

EPS will probably never match an assisted Hydraulic or unassisted steering system for feed back, unfortunately. But seems like this is where the industry is going.

Good luck to your friend.
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He should probably TD Ford Focus unless, he's only considering Japs. Don't know if it's in the price range, though. I also will definitely not discount KIA Optima. And I don't think there are really any valid concerns about build quality or reliability of these cars now. Spending $25 large, he should absolutely cover all bases and make the most informed decision and not make the mistake of dissmissing off hand based on prior prejudice or popular consent. Often the car you like the best, is just that, 'you like it'.

Where does the Mazda 6 price start from? I think it's the best looking midsize Jap out there and the reviews have been pretty favourable.
He currently owns a Ford Escort (1998) and a BMW 7-series (2000). Ford has reached the end of it's life which he plans to donate while he's fed up with the maintenance cost of the 7-series.

Hence his main criteria is reliability and low maintenance. Because of the Beemer, his expectations are high and so far he finds Accord to match his demands.

Let me add that he doesn't want Mazda cars because of low resale value. It was me who forced him to drive the 3 but we both were highly disappointed.

Don't think he's interested in Kia as well.
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He currently owns a Ford Escort (1998) and a BMW 7-series (2000). Ford has reached the end of it's life which he plans to donate while he's fed up with the maintenance cost of the 7-series.

Hence his main criteria is reliability and low maintenance. Because of the Beemer, his expectations are high and so far he finds Accord to match his demands.

Let me add that he doesn't want Mazda cars because of low resale value. It was me who forced him to drive the 3 but we both were highly disappointed.

Don't think he's interested in Kia as well.
really strange about the 3 because all the reviews have said it drives much better than the old model.
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Errrr.... Not sure how you came up with that statement considering ALL FOUR test drives were of Japanese cars...
Well I missed "Most" I guess. I haven't had great experiences with them in South Cali as well!
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So yea like VV mentioned, my colleague had a very sad face today after Evoque TD. Very tight space, poor boot space, no free maintenance offers, hardly $1000 rebate etc. so all put together he dropped this out.

He went to Audi after RR, and he liked the Q5, for better interiors and spacious compared to X3. When is the new Q5 expected?

Looks like he may settle between the X3 or Q5.
Buying anything because of it's 'brand' and not its ultimate function is stupid and your friend is doomed to perennial disappointment. The fascination that Chinese and Indians have with brands is something to do with identity crises and another to do with 'keeping up with the Jones' image'. When you drop that pretense, you can actually like what you buy.

Clearly he is shooting way above his means - he wants a Q7/X5 but can only afford the lesser ones. Lets drop the bs about "handling" and "look of gearshift". (a) 99% people are not racing drivers and will probably never reach even 10% of vehicle capability, nor (b) is going to be able to tell the difference in handling if he didn't read magazine reviews. So stop:

The thing to do with such people is hear them out, encourage them to test drive and ultimately let them buy what they want without ANY advice. Because if he really needs an SUV and has that kind of budget, he should be buying a Grand Cherokee SRT with full leather. The capability, reliability and capacity of that vehicle will make the Audi and BMW seem foolish in comparison. And last but not least - in this country only women drive crossovers and compact SUVs. Real men buy Jeeps or trucks or Caddy Escalades.
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A friend in looking for a new car to replace his aging car. I was happy to accompany him for TDs.

My friend will most likely go for the Accord as he liked it the most for its space and refinedness.
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He should probably TD Ford Focus unless, he's only considering Japs. Don't know if it's in the price range, though. I also will definitely not discount KIA Optima..
Hey Jose: While your friends at it why dont you actually look at other companies too? Just saying as the cars which were looked at is all Japs. Check out american as you could get more for the car or even Hyundai(i am biased here but the sonata is a good vehicle). Subaru also comes to my mind.

Like VLOCT mentioned it will help understand the market better and as your friend already has 2 other cars, there is no rush in checking out over a weekend.

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The fascination that Chinese and Indians have with brands is something to do with identity crises and another to do with 'keeping up with the Jones' image'. When you drop that pretense, you can actually like what you buy.
spot on couldn't agree more.

I(inputs from chevelle) gave him some goods/bads of Q5/X3 and let him decide if he wants to buy anything at all
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Anybody up a for a drive through Blue Ridge Parkway during Thanks Giving weekend ?

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